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The word in question, however rude and disgusting is both legal and protected by the first amendment. The first amendment protects freedom of speech, not freedom from repercussions for that speech. Freedom of speech only protects your freedom to express your opinions without censorship, interference, or restraint by the government; it does not protect censorship, interference, or restraint by any other group (employers or otherwise), and it does not protect hate speech in any way (which the N-word is). Thank you Simon! It is good to remind people that the first amendment is about the government being unable to prevent speech. It does not nor should not protect you from repercussions from hateful speech.
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Hi Simon,
I was going to go into the legal issues but changed my mind. I simply don't totally agree with your statements. What construes hate speech is totally dependent on context. Is the use of that word hate speech when Eddie Murphy used it in comedy? Do you see youtube taking down the thousands of videos that use that word?
I assume you are Canadian but that is only an assumption. I have a good bit of experience with eastern Canada and Newfoundland and know some of the slang and derogatory words used there.
"Hoser" for example without getting into some really rude words.
The classic Canadian insult. Originally refers to the losers of a hockey game, who, in pre-Zamboni times, would have to hose the rink down once the game was done. Now it’s a synonym for “loser” — but with a particularly Canadian flavour.
Plenty of fights have been started over that word. Plenty of people take serious exception to its use. Is it hate speech? It could be but only in a certain context.
Look, I am not a proponent of using any of the millions of derogatory words. I have played in a all black blues band all my life and I am well aware of how many black feel.
Discrimination is rampant across all races of people and black people have suffered more than most. Well, if you exclude the American Indians and the Jewish.
What is insulting is having some jerk taking video in the middle of the night of some drunk guy and using it to try to destroy a man's life, plus his kid, plus his wife/girlfriend.
I can also guarantee this thread never was and never will be about music.
Cheers,
Billy
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It's never surprising how many old white guys get upset when you bring up racism. They try to immediately shut you up. The responses are predictable about how "it's not that bad" or "it's better than it used to be" or my favorite, "the media is blowing it all out of proportion!"
Everyone on the forum remembers Mac, (except for some newbies), and we became good long distance friends over the years. What a few may not know is that Mac is black.
During more more than a few of our marathon phone calls to each other we discussed racism. It was the first time in my life where I'd been fortunate enough to hear first hand about the personal experiences of a black man who lived through the 50's, 60's, 70's and forward.
People need to stop dismissing racism as if it was something from the past.
It's alive and well, even in the music industry.
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Thank you Simon! It is good to remind people that the first amendment is about the government being unable to prevent speech. It does not nor should not protect you from repercussions from hateful speech.
Absolutely! Hi Simon,
I was going to go into the legal issues but changed my mind. I simply don't totally agree with your statements. What construes hate speech is totally dependent on context. Is the use of that word hate speech when Eddie Murphy used it in comedy? Do you see youtube taking down the thousands of videos that use that word?
I assume you are Canadian but that is only an assumption. I have a good bit of experience with eastern Canada and Newfoundland and know some of the slang and derogatory words used there.
"Hoser" for example without getting into some really rude words.
The classic Canadian insult. Originally refers to the losers of a hockey game, who, in pre-Zamboni times, would have to hose the rink down once the game was done. Now it’s a synonym for “loser” — but with a particularly Canadian flavour.
Plenty of fights have been started over that word. Plenty of people take serious exception to its use. Is it hate speech? It could be but only in a certain context.
Look, I am not a proponent of using any of the millions of derogatory words. I have played in a all black blues band all my life and I am well aware of how many black feel.
Discrimination is rampant across all races of people and black people have suffered more than most. Well, if you exclude the American Indians and the Jewish.
What is insulting is having some jerk taking video in the middle of the night of some drunk guy and using it to try to destroy a man's life, plus his kid, plus his wife/girlfriend.
I can also guarantee this thread never was and never will be about music.
Cheers,
Billy You're absolutely right - speech in itself is completely dependent on context. You could call me an idiot and I'd probably feel insulted, but if my lover called me an idiot it might feel endearing. That's exactly how it is with the N-word - black people have taken back that word and use it to empower themselves, but if a white person like me uses that word it would be horribly insulting, racist, and can constitute hate speech. You can't take words like the N-word and say "oh these people are using it, it's ok for me to use it" because I'm certain you would be angry if a person of colour used a racial slur against white people. Words like "Hoser" can't be compared to the N-word in this case, because Hoser has never been a racial slur. Drunk people are not excused their actions (while driving, for example), so they should not be excused for their words either. Words matter, and most often what comes out while drunk is their true feelings. Hate while drunk is still hate, much like violence while drunk is still violence. Politics and music go hand in hand, all the time. Rock and roll was built on politics - so was rap, metal, jazz, country, etc. Regardless, this thread is in the "off topic" section, so non-music discussion is allowed and encouraged here. It's never surprising how many old white guys get upset when you bring up racism. They try to immediately shut you up. The responses are predictable about how "it's not that bad" or "it's better than it used to be" or my favorite, "the media is blowing it all out of proportion!"
Everyone on the forum remembers Mac, (except for some newbies), and we became good long distance friends over the years. What a few may not know is that Mac is black.
During more more than a few of our marathon phone calls to each other we discussed racism. It was the first time in my life where I'd been fortunate enough to hear first hand about the personal experiences of a black man who lived through the 50's, 60's, 70's and forward.
People need to stop dismissing racism as if it was something from the past.
It's alive and well, even in the music industry. Thank you Bob! Racism is as much in the present as in the past - let's not make Racism a part of the future.
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Maybe when we see this behavior in others it stirs up something deep in our subconscious past that we don't like about ourselves, are we externalizing, using the other party to punish ourselves, maybe political parties have been involved in the KKK in the past, so maybe they project there involvement onto other parties ?
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Bob You are probably a great guy and a great picker. You probably don't beat your wife or kids or dog or shoot at Trump supporters (even if you have an urge to) - you probably at your core a nice person BUT .... I usually stay out of these but this one is the straw, especially this week. This is like a broken record of “here we go again.” Can you not STAY 100% ON MUSIC on this site? Can't you skip the thinly-veiled politics, the WOKEness, the not so subtle low-decible whispers about America being bad if not downright evil, blah, blah, blah or whatever it is you always seem to flick off your finger here eery now and then. You always seem to be able to find some way to track crap into the house. Most of the time it’s just tiny, little, minuscule (see redundant) sized mouse turds but turds nonetheless, they are. from my perspective they are only meant to dig and prod and to show, I assume, moral superiority and how woke you are and how bad/evil America is (that's usually where these end up). It seems you throw these out for effect, like an artillery officer seeing what damage the next volley will do. That’s all I can think especially when there are thousands of other sites, echo-chamber sites at that (those cesspool places like Twitter and Facebook and Instagram come to mind), for you to join so you can bemoan the state of America. You seem to be simply stirring a pot here, a music site, to see which chunks float, which sink, and which just stay in the mix and on the sidelines. If no one comments or jumps in you must feel vindicated. If you do get echo chamber support here (aka bubba's doing the POB [pat on back] thing), again you and they must feel vindicated - not sure what that accomplishes but, OK. However, if anyone disagrees or has a non-parallel view with you, you simply get on some holier-than-thou horse, or another (genus) Equus animal, and throw out a few trite aphorisms. for the record, the CREEPY person, in this case, isn’t the drunk-on-his-butt dude out with his buds late at night coming home and talking to EACH OTHER and no one else - but the crime of the century was he was over heard! No the sick perverted individual is the gustapo, Big Brother, Trotskyite, Child of the Cultural Revolution creep who had to have had (has?) 24/7 surveillance set up to even CATCH those almost inaudible and fleeting words, across a lot, at that hour between two drunk buds! For all, I know that "neighbor" also captures inappropriate pictures of little girls in his neighborhood. Here watch some actual black people “react” to it! (and this is just TWO) - you ain’t gonna like their politics either! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53q44STmVohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiZjAXhnlFQAnd Mario, Music hasn’t been music in MANY decades, let alone country music not being country music. No, sorry, I won't be monitoring to reply Peace and good luck to all, I truly do mean all Larry apologize me but i have to make and OT in a Off Topic section...!..: this is for Larry: i'm very interested in a yr old topic on the forum: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=409117i'd like to know if there sould be a way NOT to have the soundbanks placed in the default path: c\programdata i'm on desktop win 10 home 64 20h2 cause i've a portable vers. of gp7 and i want to have it fully portable so not to have installed the soundbanks in their default path c\programdata; i see that if i move the arobas music folder ,in which there is the sub folder soundbanks, which is in c\programdata and i put it in my portable gp7 folder that i've placed in my N\ ,partition internal hdd of my pc, then i'm not able to hear any sound at all, then if i re-place it in the default c\programdata path i'm able again to hear the sound, so my question is: is there a workaround…??..if yes i pray you to explain it to me.. thxs so much indeed in advance cheers end OT i apologize to you all for my incursion... pls forgive me..
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