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Ah! 200 posts! Now the thread can die in peace
(I couldn't bear to see it stop at 199)
One last thought:
Many posts have been made about forbidding certain kinds of discussion because they lead to "strife". If I may say so, ANY topic can lead to strife... and any topic can lead to intelligent articulation of ideas. We get to choose. What's offensive is rarely the ideas in discussion, it is the rudeness that often accompanies the opinions. So, the outcome of any given discussion depends more on the courtesy of its participants than on the topic.
I've actually seen musical discussions go nuts... Should we forbid the discussion of music because people have strong opinions about it? Of course not... we simply encourage respectful exchange.
If I may say so, the discussion itself was quite respectful except for the intrusion of a few comments having the express purpose of introducing contention; and those typically came from the same people who protested the discussion on grounds that it might become unpleasant. Go figure.
When societies start to enforce the notion that certain ideas are forbidden, that is the beginning of oppression. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
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I still don’t altogether see:
- how being able to shoot a small piece of metal at another human being is a synonym for freedom
- how a Right enshrined in an Act passed by the US Congress in 1791 was actually conferred by God
…but I’m working on it.
As long as you're "working on it", and not condemning something you don't understand because of cultural differences, then all is good.
Most Americans don't like being told what to do, even by our own government.
The Constitution and it's Amendments are meant to not only spell out the the rights of the citizens, but mainly to spell out the rights and limitations of the government.
Bob
P.S. By the way, I've never shot a small piece of metal at another human being. Neither have most people who own a gun.
Bob,On ocassions when a government tells us what we should do sometimes is for that nations good otherwise you would still have segregation and plantation owners using slaves in your country.With regards to the right to bear arms with Obama shoving health care down your throats who knows what other legislation might come upwhile he still occupies the Whitehouse!! Frankie 
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Frankie, the only reason it's white is you burned it and they had to paint it. Should never have shot those rockets at them because they were too heavy to carry back to the ships. They made and anthem out of a British Song.
According to many, Canadians would be Americans but their army got here and had neither shoes nor boots so had to leave when winter set in.
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Pat,
Those roadblocks are, and were, set up specifically to test drives for driving under the influence. It was even reported on T.V. as such. "Hi, I'm such and such, with such and such, channel whatever News, here at the scene of a drunk driving checkpoint. Tonight, 75 cars have been pulled over to test drivers for DUI......"
I admit, I haven't seen that in the Pacific Northwest, but in the mid-Atlantic region, and down south, all the time.
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John, Are you really saying that you would have been unhappy if you hadn't been at least given the chance to be an American?  Gary
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I think Pat was implying that they may not announce that they were looking for a terrorist (or other person) by using the checkpoints. Instead use a public safety excuse for the stops.. it won't cuase panic or tip anyone off. I suppose it's possible and even likely to have been used for both purposes. Up in these parts they usually just announce they are having more cops on the road watching for drunk drivers, especially on holidays, etc. Personally I consider Canadians as Americans. I like to picture both countries as 'related' in many common needs. They are not US citizens, much as I am not a Canadian citizen. As John is well aware, citizens from both countries intermingle quite a bit in this area. My daughter is dating a Canadian who has moved to the US within the last 5 years or so. His parents split and they each live in their own country now. All divorces should end so resolutely! 
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I could become an American in an instant. I'm sure your country like mine, grants citizenship to those who have cash and will start a business and hire some employees. I could do that no problem. But, I'm happy taking trips when the cold gets to me now and then.
I do miss all the trips to Michigan, but I'm not a criminal nor are my friends and we get very badly treated at the border now. It used to be welcome, come and spend some money and a smile. Now it's interrogation, look under my car for a bomb and lock one in 50 people in a room and make you strip. Pffffffttt...
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Well, you know John, the attempted invasion of Canada during the War For Independence was just another ill-advised plan; one of many during that conflict. Personally, I'm glad that the British forces and their allies fought very hard and very well to keep the 'Yanks' out. America's already too big and diverse to govern from a central location effectively. In addition, without the French fleet, it's rather doubtful that the rebels would have prevailed. Maybe another even bloodier war would have been needed...who knows.
The Capitol needed a facelift anyway, so when the British burned it they were really doing the Americans a favor. It looks pretty nice now.
In reality, the War of 1812 was a series of blunders by the Americans, matched by some even bigger blunders by the British, so it was a rather sloppy conflict. The biggest American victory came about after the war was over, and due to some tragic arrogance on the part of the British commander. Just another irony in the age old history of state sanctioned murder and destruction...sad.
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Frankie, the only reason it's white is you burned it and they had to paint it. Should never have shot those rockets at them because they were too heavy to carry back to the ships. They made and anthem out of a British Song.
According to many, Canadians would be Americans but their army got here and had neither shoes nor boots so had to leave when winter set in.
Sorry John I wasnt around when"they" burned it unless you believe in the sins of the father etc..Anyway if it wasnt for us you could have all ended up being French oolala! 
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The English established fishing outposts in Newfoundland around 1610 and established the Thirteen Colonies to the south.[21] A series of four Intercolonial Wars erupted between 1689 and 1763.[22] Mainland Nova Scotia came under British rule with the Treaty of Utrecht (1713); the Treaty of Paris (1763) ceded Canada and most of New France to Britain after the Seven Years' War.[23]
The Royal Proclamation (1763) carved the Province of Quebec out of New France and annexed Cape Breton Island to Nova Scotia.[13] In 1769, St. John's Island (now Prince Edward Island) became a separate colony.[24] To avert conflict in Quebec, the British passed the Quebec Act of 1774, expanding Quebec's territory to the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley. It re-established the French language, Catholic faith, and French civil law in Quebec. This angered many residents of the Thirteen Colonies and helped to fuel the American Revolution.[13]
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Frank you miss the point.
The 'mericans sent armies to Canada when you were fighting Napoleon. You won the war, and as pay back sailed the Navy up the river. Sent word to the President and his wife that no offence, but please leave your house. I think the ranking officer and the President were both masons but I'd have to delve into that. The British then sacked and burned much of Washington and marched to Baltimore where you fired off the now famous rockets which were new to war at the time. Then you said, bye bye, cherio and leave our colony alone.
I know all the history of Canada/Britain/France in spades. Don't need a wikedpedia. And I speak French and English and so do my kids and my wife's relatives, although my parents don't know oui from we.
The most amazing thing is how polarized everything in the USA has to be. There seems to be only one solution. Declare some states Right Wing, and the Others Left. Most of the Left Coast is left anyway...
Johnny Cash did a good song about a group where the one on the left was on the right....that's a good one.
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"Frank you miss the point" John,Im still trying to figure out exactly what is that point!! Its good you speak both French and English because I have a feeling if all Canada was French then the English language would be as popular as our Welsh language.The English language is anathema to the French as I found out a few years ago when my family and I tried to get directions to a hotel we had booked in and no I dont speak French although its a language I find appealing to the ear.frankie
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Most Americans don't like being told what to do, even by our own government.
Well, I think its probably fair to say that these guys don’t !
There are quite a few references in the preceding pages to the citizen’s constitutional right to forcibly resist an unjust or tyrannical regime.
No doubt that in the minds of these guys, the current US government is already way beyond the pail.
The problem is that one man’s organised group legitimately (and constitutionally) defending its members’ right to remain ‘free’ is another man’s bunch of dangerous, armed and homicidal nutters.
Who gets to decide at what point (and by what process) the authorities have gone too far in constraining personal freedom and need to be forcibly resisted?
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The problem is that one man’s organised group legitimately (and constitutionally) defending its members’ right to remain ‘free’ is another man’s bunch of dangerous, armed and homicidal nutters
A Jewish historian friend of mine claimed that 100,000 or more Jews left the US during the revolution and came to Canada fearing those same gun toting persons.
It's documented that 10,000 blacks left the US, having either fought for England or just because slavery in Canada at the time was very scarce, and no one would enslave someone who arrived here on their own. The end of the underground railway is just a short drive from here....
Over 100,000 Scots, many of the relatives of mine, originally from N. and S. Carolina (Mostly MacDonalds descendants of Islay, came to Canada, 1/2 to Nova Scotia and the other half to Ontario.
Tens of thousands of people of German descent moved north.
Hutterites, Mennonites, "Friends", Amish, and many Dutch people came at the same time, establishing towns like Berlin (Now Kitchener for obvious reasons).
All through the US there was a network of appointed people who worked for the Brits, postmasters, sherrifs, and civil servants who had jobs given to them by the crown, and they either got out fast, or were killed, tarred and feathers etc.
The biggest influx by percentage of new Canadians arrived during the revolution, and gun toting people in unorganised mobs mowed down anyone they though of as a British person.
So at the end, we got a bunch of people who wanted nothing to do with guns, nothing to do with revolutions, and who used diplomacy to create a society.
And a bunch of the opposite types stayed south of the 49th as we call it. Along the border there is a mix of people who can't decide where they stand. Especially the really close places, like east of here where before 9 11 you could just take a small street or country road and cross the border without drones, balloons and the Border Patrol.
So in short the "peace-niks" came north, and the cowboys stayed south.
Here when you smile at someone, even an American because if the didn't start talking yet they look like us only bigger, and you just say "Hey how's it going eh?"
If you smile at someone in the US you may just get "who you staring at ****!!$%#%#".
Been there and done that. And you worry about the gun.
Here the cops pull you over and ask if you would be so kind as to show him your papers.
There the pull you outta the car, shove yer face in the gravel, and cuff you, search you, and then ask why you licence plate light is out. Don't run out of gas on I-75 at midnight just on the north end of Flint Michigan. 3 shotguns pulled on me, had to walk backwards with my hands behind my head, and lean over my car. The kids 8 and 10 were wetting themselves.....here they call a towtruck, give you 2 gallons of gas, and the cop might go for coffees and doughnuts while you wait.
I think I'll go watch COPS and sing Bad boy....
No wait the Sopranos is on at 8....na, I'm going to sing! It's going up to 16C today and the sun is out, no clouds....yippee.....
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I've been accosted by 3 patrol cars myself...imtimidating, to say the least. However, I remained courteous and the issue was soon resolved. I was NOT the burglary suspect that the cops were looking for.
America has a lot of faults as a nation, no doubt about it. Real freedom is never really free, so we Americans often pay a price for it. There is real freedom of speech here in the US, unlike Canada and Europe where politically unpopular speech can be a crime. With that freedom comes a lot of inflamatory and even derogatory speech, but it's all in the US universe of ideas.
Ann Coulter was recently shouted down by a group of students in Canada who apparently though they had the right to determine which words and ideas were suitable for listening to, and which were not. I'm sure they felt just so justified and proud of themselves, while wallowing in their own arrogance and hubris. I am not a fan of Coulter's attack and bate style of provocation, but she has the right, at least in America, to express those views in a peaceful manner. As does dailykos.com and the huffington post and Rush Limbaugh, etc. When the government begins to determine what the citizens can read and what they can hear in the political arena, despotism is just around the corner.
In western democratic states the citizens can determine how much freedom they are willing to give up for security and comfort. Personally, I don't want a bunch of bureaucrats telling me how to lead my life or what I can say or not say. I do understand that millions of folks are willing to give up some freedom for the warm, fuzzy feeling that the nanny state can offer, but count me out.
I am not a Tea Party follower or a member of any political party...I have been a registered independent for over 40 years now. I like to make up my own mind on issues that affect my freedom, and dislike being preached to by political hacks of any movement or party. I loath politicians because they are almost all self-serving sycophants with huge egos, and are not in politics to serve the public, but because they desire power and money. Political parties are there to support these unfortunate ambitions.
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Here when you smile at someone, even an American because if the didn't start talking yet they look like us only bigger, and you just say "Hey how's it going eh?"
If you smile at someone in the US you may just get "who you staring at ****!!$%#%#".
There the pull you outta the car, shove yer face in the gravel, and cuff you, search you, and then ask why you licence plate light is out. Don't run out of gas on I-75 at midnight just on the north end of Flint Michigan. 3 shotguns pulled on me, had to walk backwards with my hands behind my head, and lean over my car. The kids 8 and 10 were wetting themselves.....here they call a towtruck, give you 2 gallons of gas, and the cop might go for coffees and doughnuts while you wait.
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I have to respectfully call BS on the two statements above. I have no idea where you run into all of this crap in the US and if indeed if it did happened "just as you stated" it had to be a VERY RARE incident. I and hundreds of others I know have traveled our wonderful country from coast to coast many times and over an equally as long time span and have never had an experience like the one you stated above.
Man if I held that kind of distain for either the place and/or people (who cuss you out when you say good morning) I plan on visiting or what I have to do to go there (i.e. the very often told crossing the bridge story), I'd surely spend my vacation time and money elsewhere. Heck if I were you I would never want to come back.
PS: Just got in from running a few errands this morning and no less than 12 people (all ages I might add) smiled and told or answered my good morning greetings. Not one said to me, "who you staring at ****!!$%#%#".
Just saying,
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I live in the wee town of 400,000 people Ann Coulter ran into her first problem. She baited a Muslim woman and told her she should never be allowed on a plane. She suggested she take a magic carpet. This 18 year old student said she didn't have one and Coulter said "Take and f'n camel then."
If she lived here and spouted hate against Muslims every day on the air she'd be in jail. No question. Same would apply to anyone.
I suggest if she started wanting to put certain people back on plantations that would be OK? Wait a minute...think.
It may be popular to hate certain people in the US, but Big Macs are killing more people than any group ever did.
Oh, and there's only 400,000 people in this town, and our media reported 20 protesters, mostly Muslin outside the University in Ottawa where she was to speak. She brought body guards in case we attacked with hockey sticks. Of course we drop the stick and hit the other guy in the helmet with out fists and the go drink beers together. Her security ran away with her and hid from 20 people. Wow, there were more cops than protesters, and being Ottawa, the capital our dreaded RCMP were there hiding behind bushes in those scarlet uniforms, with their trusty steeds behind them.
I doubt that Ann Coulter would ever dare start making so called jokes about the NAACP, but Muslims are fare game. Go figure.
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You judge the US by Ann Coulter?? Interesting choice you made there. Let's judge all of Iran by the one loudmouth there.. etc etc ad nauseum Loudmouths accomplish one thing; being heard. It would have been much smarter for nobody to show up to listen to her crap. Tends to make trolls go away. You do understand that the infamous wait at the bridge is because of the illegal people and goods coming in thru Canada, right? I watch the helicopters chase the cars down the highway every so often. It happens. Easier to get in there and take a car or plane across I guess. Didn't use to be like that, and I understand your frustration. If we cross over we have to come back through the same routine. BTW, keep yer stick on the ice. (and your gloves on) Makes for a better game
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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