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Ah! 200 posts! Now the thread can die in peace
(I couldn't bear to see it stop at 199)
One last thought:
Many posts have been made about forbidding certain kinds of discussion because they lead to "strife". If I may say so, ANY topic can lead to strife... and any topic can lead to intelligent articulation of ideas. We get to choose. What's offensive is rarely the ideas in discussion, it is the rudeness that often accompanies the opinions. So, the outcome of any given discussion depends more on the courtesy of its participants than on the topic.
I've actually seen musical discussions go nuts... Should we forbid the discussion of music because people have strong opinions about it? Of course not... we simply encourage respectful exchange.
If I may say so, the discussion itself was quite respectful except for the intrusion of a few comments having the express purpose of introducing contention; and those typically came from the same people who protested the discussion on grounds that it might become unpleasant. Go figure.
When societies start to enforce the notion that certain ideas are forbidden, that is the beginning of oppression. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
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I still don’t altogether see:
- how being able to shoot a small piece of metal at another human being is a synonym for freedom
- how a Right enshrined in an Act passed by the US Congress in 1791 was actually conferred by God
…but I’m working on it.
As long as you're "working on it", and not condemning something you don't understand because of cultural differences, then all is good.
Most Americans don't like being told what to do, even by our own government.
The Constitution and it's Amendments are meant to not only spell out the the rights of the citizens, but mainly to spell out the rights and limitations of the government.
Bob
P.S. By the way, I've never shot a small piece of metal at another human being. Neither have most people who own a gun.
Bob,On ocassions when a government tells us what we should do sometimes is for that nations good otherwise you would still have segregation and plantation owners using slaves in your country.With regards to the right to bear arms with Obama shoving health care down your throats who knows what other legislation might come upwhile he still occupies the Whitehouse!! Frankie 
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Frankie, the only reason it's white is you burned it and they had to paint it. Should never have shot those rockets at them because they were too heavy to carry back to the ships. They made and anthem out of a British Song.
According to many, Canadians would be Americans but their army got here and had neither shoes nor boots so had to leave when winter set in.
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Pat,
Those roadblocks are, and were, set up specifically to test drives for driving under the influence. It was even reported on T.V. as such. "Hi, I'm such and such, with such and such, channel whatever News, here at the scene of a drunk driving checkpoint. Tonight, 75 cars have been pulled over to test drivers for DUI......"
I admit, I haven't seen that in the Pacific Northwest, but in the mid-Atlantic region, and down south, all the time.
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John, Are you really saying that you would have been unhappy if you hadn't been at least given the chance to be an American?  Gary
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I think Pat was implying that they may not announce that they were looking for a terrorist (or other person) by using the checkpoints. Instead use a public safety excuse for the stops.. it won't cuase panic or tip anyone off. I suppose it's possible and even likely to have been used for both purposes. Up in these parts they usually just announce they are having more cops on the road watching for drunk drivers, especially on holidays, etc. Personally I consider Canadians as Americans. I like to picture both countries as 'related' in many common needs. They are not US citizens, much as I am not a Canadian citizen. As John is well aware, citizens from both countries intermingle quite a bit in this area. My daughter is dating a Canadian who has moved to the US within the last 5 years or so. His parents split and they each live in their own country now. All divorces should end so resolutely! 
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I could become an American in an instant. I'm sure your country like mine, grants citizenship to those who have cash and will start a business and hire some employees. I could do that no problem. But, I'm happy taking trips when the cold gets to me now and then.
I do miss all the trips to Michigan, but I'm not a criminal nor are my friends and we get very badly treated at the border now. It used to be welcome, come and spend some money and a smile. Now it's interrogation, look under my car for a bomb and lock one in 50 people in a room and make you strip. Pffffffttt...
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Well, you know John, the attempted invasion of Canada during the War For Independence was just another ill-advised plan; one of many during that conflict. Personally, I'm glad that the British forces and their allies fought very hard and very well to keep the 'Yanks' out. America's already too big and diverse to govern from a central location effectively. In addition, without the French fleet, it's rather doubtful that the rebels would have prevailed. Maybe another even bloodier war would have been needed...who knows.
The Capitol needed a facelift anyway, so when the British burned it they were really doing the Americans a favor. It looks pretty nice now.
In reality, the War of 1812 was a series of blunders by the Americans, matched by some even bigger blunders by the British, so it was a rather sloppy conflict. The biggest American victory came about after the war was over, and due to some tragic arrogance on the part of the British commander. Just another irony in the age old history of state sanctioned murder and destruction...sad.
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Frankie, the only reason it's white is you burned it and they had to paint it. Should never have shot those rockets at them because they were too heavy to carry back to the ships. They made and anthem out of a British Song.
According to many, Canadians would be Americans but their army got here and had neither shoes nor boots so had to leave when winter set in.
Sorry John I wasnt around when"they" burned it unless you believe in the sins of the father etc..Anyway if it wasnt for us you could have all ended up being French oolala! 
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The English established fishing outposts in Newfoundland around 1610 and established the Thirteen Colonies to the south.[21] A series of four Intercolonial Wars erupted between 1689 and 1763.[22] Mainland Nova Scotia came under British rule with the Treaty of Utrecht (1713); the Treaty of Paris (1763) ceded Canada and most of New France to Britain after the Seven Years' War.[23]
The Royal Proclamation (1763) carved the Province of Quebec out of New France and annexed Cape Breton Island to Nova Scotia.[13] In 1769, St. John's Island (now Prince Edward Island) became a separate colony.[24] To avert conflict in Quebec, the British passed the Quebec Act of 1774, expanding Quebec's territory to the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley. It re-established the French language, Catholic faith, and French civil law in Quebec. This angered many residents of the Thirteen Colonies and helped to fuel the American Revolution.[13]
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Frank you miss the point.
The 'mericans sent armies to Canada when you were fighting Napoleon. You won the war, and as pay back sailed the Navy up the river. Sent word to the President and his wife that no offence, but please leave your house. I think the ranking officer and the President were both masons but I'd have to delve into that. The British then sacked and burned much of Washington and marched to Baltimore where you fired off the now famous rockets which were new to war at the time. Then you said, bye bye, cherio and leave our colony alone.
I know all the history of Canada/Britain/France in spades. Don't need a wikedpedia. And I speak French and English and so do my kids and my wife's relatives, although my parents don't know oui from we.
The most amazing thing is how polarized everything in the USA has to be. There seems to be only one solution. Declare some states Right Wing, and the Others Left. Most of the Left Coast is left anyway...
Johnny Cash did a good song about a group where the one on the left was on the right....that's a good one.
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"Frank you miss the point" John,Im still trying to figure out exactly what is that point!! Its good you speak both French and English because I have a feeling if all Canada was French then the English language would be as popular as our Welsh language.The English language is anathema to the French as I found out a few years ago when my family and I tried to get directions to a hotel we had booked in and no I dont speak French although its a language I find appealing to the ear.frankie
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Most Americans don't like being told what to do, even by our own government.
Well, I think its probably fair to say that these guys don’t !
There are quite a few references in the preceding pages to the citizen’s constitutional right to forcibly resist an unjust or tyrannical regime.
No doubt that in the minds of these guys, the current US government is already way beyond the pail.
The problem is that one man’s organised group legitimately (and constitutionally) defending its members’ right to remain ‘free’ is another man’s bunch of dangerous, armed and homicidal nutters.
Who gets to decide at what point (and by what process) the authorities have gone too far in constraining personal freedom and need to be forcibly resisted?
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The problem is that one man’s organised group legitimately (and constitutionally) defending its members’ right to remain ‘free’ is another man’s bunch of dangerous, armed and homicidal nutters
A Jewish historian friend of mine claimed that 100,000 or more Jews left the US during the revolution and came to Canada fearing those same gun toting persons.
It's documented that 10,000 blacks left the US, having either fought for England or just because slavery in Canada at the time was very scarce, and no one would enslave someone who arrived here on their own. The end of the underground railway is just a short drive from here....
Over 100,000 Scots, many of the relatives of mine, originally from N. and S. Carolina (Mostly MacDonalds descendants of Islay, came to Canada, 1/2 to Nova Scotia and the other half to Ontario.
Tens of thousands of people of German descent moved north.
Hutterites, Mennonites, "Friends", Amish, and many Dutch people came at the same time, establishing towns like Berlin (Now Kitchener for obvious reasons).
All through the US there was a network of appointed people who worked for the Brits, postmasters, sherrifs, and civil servants who had jobs given to them by the crown, and they either got out fast, or were killed, tarred and feathers etc.
The biggest influx by percentage of new Canadians arrived during the revolution, and gun toting people in unorganised mobs mowed down anyone they though of as a British person.
So at the end, we got a bunch of people who wanted nothing to do with guns, nothing to do with revolutions, and who used diplomacy to create a society.
And a bunch of the opposite types stayed south of the 49th as we call it. Along the border there is a mix of people who can't decide where they stand. Especially the really close places, like east of here where before 9 11 you could just take a small street or country road and cross the border without drones, balloons and the Border Patrol.
So in short the "peace-niks" came north, and the cowboys stayed south.
Here when you smile at someone, even an American because if the didn't start talking yet they look like us only bigger, and you just say "Hey how's it going eh?"
If you smile at someone in the US you may just get "who you staring at ****!!$%#%#".
Been there and done that. And you worry about the gun.
Here the cops pull you over and ask if you would be so kind as to show him your papers.
There the pull you outta the car, shove yer face in the gravel, and cuff you, search you, and then ask why you licence plate light is out. Don't run out of gas on I-75 at midnight just on the north end of Flint Michigan. 3 shotguns pulled on me, had to walk backwards with my hands behind my head, and lean over my car. The kids 8 and 10 were wetting themselves.....here they call a towtruck, give you 2 gallons of gas, and the cop might go for coffees and doughnuts while you wait.
I think I'll go watch COPS and sing Bad boy....
No wait the Sopranos is on at 8....na, I'm going to sing! It's going up to 16C today and the sun is out, no clouds....yippee.....
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I've been accosted by 3 patrol cars myself...imtimidating, to say the least. However, I remained courteous and the issue was soon resolved. I was NOT the burglary suspect that the cops were looking for.
America has a lot of faults as a nation, no doubt about it. Real freedom is never really free, so we Americans often pay a price for it. There is real freedom of speech here in the US, unlike Canada and Europe where politically unpopular speech can be a crime. With that freedom comes a lot of inflamatory and even derogatory speech, but it's all in the US universe of ideas.
Ann Coulter was recently shouted down by a group of students in Canada who apparently though they had the right to determine which words and ideas were suitable for listening to, and which were not. I'm sure they felt just so justified and proud of themselves, while wallowing in their own arrogance and hubris. I am not a fan of Coulter's attack and bate style of provocation, but she has the right, at least in America, to express those views in a peaceful manner. As does dailykos.com and the huffington post and Rush Limbaugh, etc. When the government begins to determine what the citizens can read and what they can hear in the political arena, despotism is just around the corner.
In western democratic states the citizens can determine how much freedom they are willing to give up for security and comfort. Personally, I don't want a bunch of bureaucrats telling me how to lead my life or what I can say or not say. I do understand that millions of folks are willing to give up some freedom for the warm, fuzzy feeling that the nanny state can offer, but count me out.
I am not a Tea Party follower or a member of any political party...I have been a registered independent for over 40 years now. I like to make up my own mind on issues that affect my freedom, and dislike being preached to by political hacks of any movement or party. I loath politicians because they are almost all self-serving sycophants with huge egos, and are not in politics to serve the public, but because they desire power and money. Political parties are there to support these unfortunate ambitions.
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Here when you smile at someone, even an American because if the didn't start talking yet they look like us only bigger, and you just say "Hey how's it going eh?"
If you smile at someone in the US you may just get "who you staring at ****!!$%#%#".
There the pull you outta the car, shove yer face in the gravel, and cuff you, search you, and then ask why you licence plate light is out. Don't run out of gas on I-75 at midnight just on the north end of Flint Michigan. 3 shotguns pulled on me, had to walk backwards with my hands behind my head, and lean over my car. The kids 8 and 10 were wetting themselves.....here they call a towtruck, give you 2 gallons of gas, and the cop might go for coffees and doughnuts while you wait.
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I have to respectfully call BS on the two statements above. I have no idea where you run into all of this crap in the US and if indeed if it did happened "just as you stated" it had to be a VERY RARE incident. I and hundreds of others I know have traveled our wonderful country from coast to coast many times and over an equally as long time span and have never had an experience like the one you stated above.
Man if I held that kind of distain for either the place and/or people (who cuss you out when you say good morning) I plan on visiting or what I have to do to go there (i.e. the very often told crossing the bridge story), I'd surely spend my vacation time and money elsewhere. Heck if I were you I would never want to come back.
PS: Just got in from running a few errands this morning and no less than 12 people (all ages I might add) smiled and told or answered my good morning greetings. Not one said to me, "who you staring at ****!!$%#%#".
Just saying,
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I live in the wee town of 400,000 people Ann Coulter ran into her first problem. She baited a Muslim woman and told her she should never be allowed on a plane. She suggested she take a magic carpet. This 18 year old student said she didn't have one and Coulter said "Take and f'n camel then."
If she lived here and spouted hate against Muslims every day on the air she'd be in jail. No question. Same would apply to anyone.
I suggest if she started wanting to put certain people back on plantations that would be OK? Wait a minute...think.
It may be popular to hate certain people in the US, but Big Macs are killing more people than any group ever did.
Oh, and there's only 400,000 people in this town, and our media reported 20 protesters, mostly Muslin outside the University in Ottawa where she was to speak. She brought body guards in case we attacked with hockey sticks. Of course we drop the stick and hit the other guy in the helmet with out fists and the go drink beers together. Her security ran away with her and hid from 20 people. Wow, there were more cops than protesters, and being Ottawa, the capital our dreaded RCMP were there hiding behind bushes in those scarlet uniforms, with their trusty steeds behind them.
I doubt that Ann Coulter would ever dare start making so called jokes about the NAACP, but Muslims are fare game. Go figure.
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You judge the US by Ann Coulter?? Interesting choice you made there. Let's judge all of Iran by the one loudmouth there.. etc etc ad nauseum Loudmouths accomplish one thing; being heard. It would have been much smarter for nobody to show up to listen to her crap. Tends to make trolls go away. You do understand that the infamous wait at the bridge is because of the illegal people and goods coming in thru Canada, right? I watch the helicopters chase the cars down the highway every so often. It happens. Easier to get in there and take a car or plane across I guess. Didn't use to be like that, and I understand your frustration. If we cross over we have to come back through the same routine. BTW, keep yer stick on the ice. (and your gloves on) Makes for a better game
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Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
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202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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