I know this is a weird request, and I hope I chose the right forum. It's not often I ask for help here on the forums, but .. I've been working on a classical piece for decades, and I can't nail the tympani I want (mainly in depth/timbre and more importantly good tuning). Anyone know of one? It is such an important part of the piece I'm almost tempted to go record one, but then I'll spend hours tuning/micing it. Below example shows how essential it is to the piece.
I have a couple Orchestral Percussion paks, but for pure Tympani I was fortunate to pick up KH Virtuoso Instrument Tympani. I love it.
Any way I can take your midi and generate some audio tracks??
Dan
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Certainly, give me a few to render/post the MIDI and thank you MIDI file of tympani track is below (It's on MIDI channel 1, so will likely hear piano as default if GM, but hopefully helps with softsynth use)
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I edited previous post to include link I certainly don't expect that quick of a turnaround in return (grin), just excited to be able to hear other options. Thanks again
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Well, I exported a single track to MIDI file, so not sure how you ended up with 30 tracks .. but if you could render me a sample of that single Tympani track I'd appreciate it. As far as instrument range, the original MIDI was recorded using a sampler as the sound source (a now non-existent W-30) so I can't really comment on the range for your sound source. If the main line sounds better I can rework the rest. There are some pretty deep notes in that track I guess. Intentional originally, but can be adjusted if I can hear the result on a given sound source.
As far as room size, I'd guess just generic 'room' setting, but if in doubt, use dry; adding ambient room sound is something I am more than willing to tackle .. and yes 92 BPM and 4/4 is the base tempo/time sig It does (in reality) change to 11/8 and such throughout the piece, but those settings should work when rendered to any audio format
Last edited by rharv; 02/25/2105:13 PM.
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Thanks! Look forward to it, and probably won't have time to review until weekend, so no rush Just look forward to hearing the difference, as it is a foundation of the piece
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I happen to have a second Tympani as a spare. This is Spitfire BBC (SO) Symphony Orchestra Discover. Kinda night and day different. Not the drums of war at all. Spitfire BBC SO Tympani
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In your first MP3 it sounds nothing like the original MIDI, sounds like some slapback/delay is happening. Is it just me? Every note seems to be triggered 3 or 4 times. (?)
I like the actual 'sound' of the patch, but it appears to be tripling the track somehow in the MP3. Do you hear it?
The second MP3 you posted does not have this issue, so I obviously I like it better, but what happened with the original?
The tuning seems much better in your samples; I can hear the pitch better. And yes, it does sound a bit like the drums of war .. the whole piece was intended to convey that, right down to the odd time sections (the actual war) <grin>
I like to refer to it as building tension, and then the confrontation(s), but it ends in victory, so I got that going for me, I guess I think I wrote it after reading Wounded Knee a long time ago It's been kind of a personal project for me, since nobody listens to classical anymore, but I wanted to write a classical piece anyway. Personal growth and all that.
Thanks again!
Last edited by rharv; 02/26/2101:36 PM.
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I like the actual 'sound' of the patch, but it appears to be tripling the track somehow in the MP3. Do you hear it?
Thanks again!
Ya, I heard something unpleasant and assumed it was the reverb tails being stretched out with the hits coming too quickly. The BBC-SO sounded much dryer. I will revisit the KH and see if I can make an adjustment and tame it down.
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Hold it, ..... looks like I had "roll and cresendo" on. (Look at the picture of the setup) That would account for the extra hits. OMG good thing you are not paying for this I would be so embarrassed. Give me a few minutes to redo. I will also removed reverb as much as possible.
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Definitely much better this time, and that setting explains what I heard Thanks again, give me some time to play with these after I download. Hopefully tomorrow or Sunday I am anxious to see how these fit in the mix.
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Definitely much better this time, and that setting explains what I heard Thanks again, give me some time to play with these after I download. Hopefully tomorrow or Sunday I am anxious to see how these fit in the mix.
I have been communicating with Dan via PM. He suggested that I contact you saying if none of his timpani fit then I could use some of my other presets. I have a few other timpani presets from Kontakt's library, Amadeus library, and Kirt Hunter's Diamond library. IMHO Kirt Hunter's virtuoso library is a excellent one but sometimes it doesn't fit well in the mix.
So if you need/want more options feel free to let me know.
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I like the KH better than the second (less reverb). The track you sent is missing sections though. Not sure why. The MIDI track and track(s) I rendered have those sections. I checked to make sure it wasn't a note range issue and those same notes are evident elsewhere in your file. Did my MID file get goofed somehow? Like at about 3:40 in below image. My tympani is top track, yours is the bottom one.
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OK, I now see the specific range of time 3 - 4 mins(see picture below). I wonder if the bass note is acting as a key switch to turn on and off the rendering of the VSTi? I will have to look a bit closer in this specific range of time to see why there is no audio??
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OK, I see it. The missing section is exactly at the cut-off for the low end range of the KH-VSTi. There are no sounds associated with tympani for notes below C2. Any ideas on how you would adjust? Dare we lift all the notes an octave?? I think we do....
Last edited by MusicStudent; 02/27/2106:46 AM.
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OK, so I lifted the midi by +12 (1 octave) but only for the latter section not the beginning. This appeared to solve the problem of aligning the midi with the available audio. But only you know if it works for you...
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..... looks like I had "roll and cresendo" on. (Look at the picture of the setup) That would account for the extra hits. OMG 
good thing you are not paying for this I would be so embarrassed. Give me a few minutes to redo. I will also removed reverb as much as possible. 
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