Yes it is very possible that BIAB remembers the last quantize settings and uses these settings for the editable Notation entry process. As I enter more melodies using this if they also snap automatically then we have to conclude this. Again assuming this is true I have to assume that a factory reset will remove this setting from BIAB's memory. So I have updated my factory reset list to todos.
These days, BIAB stores many more settings from song to song and it's possible that the settings you refer to are amongst those. I can't offer any insight into this.
I wonder if the checkbox option "Snap to grid lines" in Notation View Opt is causing this? That might now be active when it was inactive previously.
I don't know. That checkbox is unchecked. I attached my settings.
I am glad you mentioned this dialog box because it just made me realize I need to learn this through reading and experimentation really well seeing as I am using this "editable notation mode" so much now.
After looking at your settings in "Notation Editor | Opt", what could have impacted on your recording is down the bottom of the middle column: "Auto-set Tick Offset". I always have this disabled.
When it's enabled, BIAB relaxes/humanizes timing of notes and it's determined by which style is loaded. I know this affects the Melody track because I write melodies for all of my songs. I haven't investigated other tracks.
I read somewhere above (if I recall correctly) where you mentioned that the notes weren't playing as long as you'd like them to. To fix this, click on the "More" on the bottom right of the "Opt" window and set the note duration to 95 (this is what I use).
I have set up a database reminder entry to systematically experiment with the ideas you have suggested in conjunction with what I did as well as investigating whether the particular song file has any impact in this issue.
However I can't wait...lol.
I tried a new song and entered some notes using "Staff Roll Notation Mode". I tried entering two notes without doing anything. After viewing the piano roll it actually timed them to start a bit early. So I entered two more the same but in the next bar after un-checking the Auto-set Tick Offset check box. It was a bit better but not 100% dead on. So I ran the quantize humanize to swing. It set them all up with the standard humanize delay. I then ran quantize with resolution 12 and 100% strength. If fixed all of them to be perfect except the very last note (which is exactly what it did the last time I did this process).
So the most interesting thing with this new song file test is the fact that they were early rather than late. So I went back and entered the exact same two notes but in the next bar but this time I used "Editable Notation Mode" rather than "Staff Roll Notation Mode". So this time the two notes were entered late rather than early (significantly late). This occurred even though the Auto-set Tick Offset check box was un-checked.
So this experiment suggests that the only way to get a perfect line up is to go back and use the process I used except that maybe having the Auto-set Tick Offset check box un-checked is good enough for my ear and thus would save time. However maybe the notes were a bit early because I used "Staff Roll Notation Mode" and maybe that is good enough. I can't do the good enough experiment at the moment (people sleeping in the house).
So I went ahead and did the experiments except for what is asked in the final question in the picture. Right click on the picture and choose "open image in new tab" to see the picture larger and clearer.
Based upon the above set of experiments I would say the best solution to the problem I was having is to have "Auto set Tick Offset" unchecked and to also have a setting of zero in the "tick Offset" check box.
However upon looking at the results again it appears that the first note entered in "Staff Roll Notation Mode" is not effected by the value in the "tick Offset" check box. The question them becomes is it only the very last note entered that is not perfect when using "Staff Roll Notation Mode". Give me a moment :-) Okay finished. I added more experiments to the picture and updated it in the above post rather than this one to avoid confusion.
I think my original problem was probably caused by having a tick offset of -12. I checked my old notes which go back to my use of BIAB version 2012 and someone told me to have value 0 in tick offset. I just checked. It was you Noel...lol. I copied you entry into the notes of my reminder database. So for some reason this text box got a different value but I don't know from where. I don't ever remember someone telling me to set it to -12.
Final conclusions: Make sure "Snap To Grid Lines" is checked to ensure that "Staff Roll Notation Mode" has accurate entries. Make sure the the "Auto Set Tick Offset" check box is unchecked and the text box called "Tick Offset" have a zero value so that "Editable Notation Mode" has accurate entries.
However, what happens when entering the melody of a Bossa tune (even 1/8ths) and you enter triplets by right clicking on the "current Playback Location Bar" and entering values 3 and 3. The results are shown in the attacked image. These settings make both modes of entry work properly it seems. I attached a picture of the corrected settings.
Thanks again for pointing the "snap to grid" check box out Noel.
It kind of bugs me that I wrote this "Again the editable notation mode needs a snap to fix to avoid the extra piano roll steps." and I did go looking for the snap mode but did not look far enough (I looked very carefully at the notation window but did not think to look at the opt button and thus did not think to click it and carefully inspect the options dialog screen).
The good news is I know how to fix BIAB files that already have errors :-) Often an error can lead one down a learning path that provides very useful skills. I can think of another very significant example. A pattern emerges.
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