PG Music Home Forums PG Music Wishlists I want a video that shows me how to .... Complete song making from Intro to End.

This is a great concept and judging by comments and questions across the forum threads, should have received much more than two posts of support. Some thoughts as to possibly why the lack of interest.

As both Jim and Misha noted, there are already many video tutorials of various degrees of complexity. Misha is correct that many are dated and somewhat antiquated. In most cases, although old, the principles and techniques are still valid but changes in the menu locations and GUI make it difficult for beginners to follow along.

< "I do think it is a good idea to have a tutorial on making full song, not fragmented video clips, explaining on the way, basic tools, options and techniques. Not only it will introduce basic operation to new users, but should give a general sense of what the program is capable of in single video for future buyers (I believe demo is not available for BIAB)" >

Exactly. This is completely correct but where I think the concept is losing users and prospective purchasers interest because it omits many basic features that are heard in the expertly programmed PG Music RealStyle demos. To address Jim's questions and Misha's rough script as well as rayc's excellent point that "The untutored BIAB song tends to have a very homogenous sound/structure/tempo & feel.", I believe the tutorial structure that's being offered is too basic, repetitive and unappealing.

The basic information being discussed is available now and easy to grasp with minimal instructions. It does not give a general sense of what the program is capable of in single video for users or future buyers. It doesn't provide the advanced level sound beginners and Prospective buyers are expecting to achieve and hear right out of the box.

Let me add here that many beginners and prospective buyers introduction to BIAB are programmed demos prepared by PG Music staff or completed songs by experienced users on the Users Showcase or as in Misha's instance, an experienced user demonstrating to a friend or fellow musician. What each of these scenarios have in common is they are not yielding homogenous, stagnant, cheesy songs but a more polished, professional sounding stereo file regardless whether they are completed within BIAB or moved to a DAW.

An issue with the rough script suggested is that it does nothing to make a user's early projects sound more as if it has some production elements added. The 'one' video that's been missing all along is the one that makes a song compiled, assembled and generated completely in BIAB sound full, finished and polished, Add to this short video tutorial features that have been overlooked in this discussion and that would appeal to users with other interests and intended end results for their finished song.

What I'm suggesting will take advantage of unmentioned features and processes that are programmed into BIAB that do many advanced editing features done without user interaction, forethought or audio editing knowledge like creating smooth transitions between instruments, fade in, fade out, grace notes, avoid abrupt instrument beginnings and endings, cross-fades, auto-mixing multiple instruments that occupy the same Mixer Channel, allows multiple instruments to share the same FX's or a single effect. Allows users of every skill level to create sub-mixes and bounce tracks with simple to follow steps and get satisfying results without additional post processing or requiring use of exporting tracks to a DAW. In short, create a more complex arrangement but where BIAB takes care of the complexities automatically in the background.

Why not a tutorial objective to produce a single video that produces polished results like a PG Music RealStyle demo and demonstrating how a beginner can achieve advanced, professional sounding results applying simple BIAB techniques? That's a video that currently doesn't exist. A single video can produce that quality of results in easy to follow step by step instructions but it can also include other features besides basic navigation, chord entry and post chord sheet entry editing and all the while showcases the true capability of BIAB.

An example rough script complete song from beginning to end:

1)Import a MIDI song file and convert it to a BIAB Style to create this demo song
2)Modify this new MIDI style replacing the Midi instruments with RealTracks and Midi Super Tracks
3)Audition and import a RT or MST Soloist instrument
4)Basic Mixer - Demonstrate the controls & Fx's plus use the Medley Feature to add additional RealTrack instruments onto one or more of the Mixer Channels and stack multiple backing vocals on another track
5)Chord entry (Also include a shot, hold and rest; a Push and Slash Chord; and 4 chords in a single measure)
6)Intro (use the automated Intro feature to add the intro after the body of the Chord Sheet has been completed)
7)Markers (Demo how to use Part markers but also select or create a Multistyle to change between two soloist instruments using Part Markers)
8)(Only) Mutes /Back to Normal at the bar for variation/arrangement purposes
9)Ending (manually select and complete chord entry of the two bar ending feature)
10)Export audio in various ways - Create a Performance Track/ Create a WAV/MP3/WMA stereo export/ create an email collaboration export/ Create a custom, specific length export for use with a video. Create and export and arrangement with a dozen instruments and more than 8 tracks mixed and balanced perfectly with effects added, all in a single render.