|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
I'm not big on promoting YouTube videos, but this one has some really good information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabjx8mZ6tU&t=1443s Regards, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,858
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,858 |
I'll watch this tonight when the news is on.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,599
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,599 |
Herb, often I don't get your humor, but I think I caught a glimpse of it there.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044 |
A lot of the advice is good but the presenter doesn't understand why some of it works.
Interesting that, while discouraging the use of an SM58 due to sibilance, he's holding a cheap RØDE. Yea, right… one mic was designed for preamp circuitry that's been obsolete for over 50 years while the other is just poorly designed.
So, of course, one needs a De-esser. With the right mics, no, not really except for singers with terrible technique.
BIAB 2026 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia/Tahoe, M1 & M5 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, Logic, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScore/Notion/Overture
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
A lot of the advice is good but the presenter doesn't understand why some of it works.
Interesting that, while discouraging the use of an SM58 due to sibilance, he's holding a cheap RØDE. Yea, right… one mic was designed for preamp circuitry that's been obsolete for over 50 years while the other is just poorly designed.
So, of course, one needs a De-esser. With the right mics, no, not really except for singers with terrible technique. Rode mics are 'poorly designed'? Really? They are a common mic around here, and people are making some pretty good tracks with them. They aren't a Neumann or Telefunken, but most people that do this as a hobby can't afford to dabble in such esoteric mics. The whole point of the video was how to record tracks without plosives with mic placement and show that you don't need a de-esser by singing across the capsule instead of directly into it. I think that's good advice, and it actually works quite well. Regards, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 11,031
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 11,031 |
A neat trick is to vertically hold a pencil in front of your mouth just below your nose.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
A neat trick is to vertically hold a pencil in front of your mouth just below your nose. I tried that. Kept jamming the pencil in my eye!  Regards, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732 |
I tried that. Kept jamming the pencil in my eye! Nice! Welcome back Bob! I haven't seen you around for a couple of years.
 Steve BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics.
PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,766
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,766 |
Rode mics are 'poorly designed'? Really? They are a common mic around here, and people are making some pretty good tracks with them. They aren't a Neumann or Telefunken, but most people that do this as a hobby can't afford to dabble in such esoteric mics. Rode mics are perfectly good, and reasonably well designed for the price. When I was an audio engineering student, I had access to a plethora of mics ranging from cheap to pro. Neumann TLM103 and KM184, Shure SM7B, AEA R92, Audio Technica AT4050, quite a few Advanced Audio mics, Electrovoice RE20, AKG C414 B-ULS, and more. I liked all the above mics, but quite often I'd grab a Rode NT2000 since it was quite clear, open, and predictable. We also had a Rode NTK and a Rode K2, both tube condenser mics, which we (both students and teachers) all thought were at least equal to the list above. Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop, and never had a dud. Can't even remember any refunds on them either... A neat trick is to vertically hold a pencil in front of your mouth just below your nose. This is a great trick, though I prefer to hold the pencil on the mic with a couple elastics. It's best to change the mic position a bit - raise it up and angle it down - but sometimes that's not enough for some singers! I tried that. Kept jamming the pencil in my eye! They make those giant oversized erasers that stick onto pencils for just this purpose.
Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 04/22/21 06:26 AM.
I work here
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 16,123
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 16,123 |
We are quite happy with our Rodes NT1 and basic popfilter. It is placed 2' from a quilted runner hanging over a file cabinet We've used that for seven years and after hundreds of User Showcase reviews no one has mention sibilance/plosives so I guess it works! Bud
Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044 |
Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop, So? Rode mics are 'poorly designed'? Really? RØDE makes many mics. Some are great. Others have headbaskets and capsule designs that make them overly sensitive to sibilance. Yea, that's poor design no matter how many are sold. Mic mod kits and DIY instructions to correct these deficiencies are easy to find. The NT1 and NT1a are particularly known for this. NT1A Mic Mods NT1/1a Mic Mod show that you don't need a de-esser by singing across the capsule instead of directly into it.
Actually, he said you need a de-esser. My comment was on the "need" for de-essers when he was holding two mics particularly known for needing them. Many other mics do not with most singers. One of my favorite mics is my RØDE NT3.
BIAB 2026 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia/Tahoe, M1 & M5 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, Logic, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScore/Notion/Overture
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,646
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,646 |
re MICS i think mics are mostly personal preference. ive recorded on everything from mics costing multi k bucks in big studios down to junk and diy mics i made myself out of speakers lol. had interesting results with/vibe/traks with junk stuff. taught me a lot, and i agree with an old carmudgeon engineer i once knew who maintained everything has a sound picture , and can be usefull on a track. i'm no mic expert however. i find a lot of stuff today too "clinical" frankly. forgotten the model, but tried a rode once few years back. didnt crank me up. but thats just me. once i had a 2020at mic, for clean vocs, but it annoyed me when it went on the blink. not worth fixing. ive got an ancient sm57 that, lo and behold, still works grrreat. ive also got an ancient AT mic, that i never used for years; left over from my big rig days, dragged it out one day and it blew me away on a track i did. weird huh ? mr old recording studio carmudgeon was right. keep an open mind on gear sound pictures. the cheap 35 buk isk pearl mics seem to crank a lot of people up on gearslutz. i would get one if i didnt have too much gear already lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTI1NKbMdIkfrankly there are so many good mics cheap these days we are all spoilt. anyhoo, as i learnt from an old engineer in a studio years ago. its not just mic choice, its how the audio engineer "conditions" the trak post recording etc etc. i'm still learning after too many years useing mics. best. oldmuso
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop, So? Rode mics are 'poorly designed'? Really? RØDE makes many mics. Some are great. Others have headbaskets and capsule designs that make them overly sensitive to sibilance. Yea, that's poor design no matter how many are sold. Mic mod kits and DIY instructions to correct these deficiencies are easy to find. The NT1 and NT1a are particularly known for this. NT1A Mic Mods NT1/1a Mic Mod show that you don't need a de-esser by singing across the capsule instead of directly into it.
Actually, he said you need a de-esser. My comment was on the "need" for de-essers when he was holding two mics particularly known for needing them. Many other mics do not with most singers. One of my favorite mics is my RØDE NT3. I don't actually own any Rode mics, but I can, as the owner of a bunch of cheap mics, say...... 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044 |
Where did I say that mics have to be expensive? Plenty of reasonably priced microphones do not have this issue built in.
BIAB 2026 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia/Tahoe, M1 & M5 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, Logic, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScore/Notion/Overture
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
Maybe it was " a cheap RØDE".
Maybe it was your editing Simon's post down to:
"Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop,"
Your reply?
"So?"
What Simon actually posted was this:
"Rode mics are perfectly good, and reasonably well designed for the price.
When I was an audio engineering student, I had access to a plethora of mics ranging from cheap to pro. Neumann TLM103 and KM184, Shure SM7B, AEA R92, Audio Technica AT4050, quite a few Advanced Audio mics, Electrovoice RE20, AKG C414 B-ULS, and more. I liked all the above mics, but quite often I'd grab a Rode NT2000 since it was quite clear, open, and predictable. We also had a Rode NTK and a Rode K2, both tube condenser mics, which we (both students and teachers) all thought were at least equal to the list above.
Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop, and never had a dud. Can't even remember any refunds on them either...
Last edited by 90 dB; 04/24/21 05:25 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,591
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,591 |
Thanks, 90 Db. Fundamentals -- so important & easy to overlook.
Well done tutorial, too.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044 |
Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop, and never had a dud. Can't even remember any refunds on them either...
Again, so what? That is false equivalency nonsense because it has nothing to do with what I wrote. I was referring to RØDE mics in perfectly good working order that are well known for being sibilant.Not duds, not defects, not unhappy customers. And to be clear, I have had a RØDE dud (one of my NT3s) and it was replaced under their 10 year warranty (back when you had to ship them to Australia) and I still have it and it's great. Their customer service is excellent.
BIAB 2026 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia/Tahoe, M1 & M5 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, Logic, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScore/Notion/Overture
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
Sold quite a few Rode's in my day working at the local music shop, and never had a dud. Can't even remember any refunds on them either...
Again, so what? That is false equivalency nonsense because it has nothing to do with what I wrote. I was referring to RØDE mics in perfectly good working order that are well known for being sibilant.Not duds, not defects, not unhappy customers. And to be clear, I have had a RØDE dud (one of my NT3s) and it was replaced under their 10 year warranty (back when you had to ship them to Australia) and I still have it and it's great. Their customer service is excellent. OK, man. You don't have to blow a gasket! "false equivalency nonsense ..."? 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,044 |
OK, man. You don't have to blow a gasket! Apparently, I did. "false equivalency nonsense ..."? when you reposted something that didn't apply and put it in bold… yea. I don't disagree with anything in that video — it's pretty good. I was only pointing out the irony of needing a de-esser while holding mics that need a de-esser. So many other mics don't. Please don't tell me that I have to define irony.
BIAB 2026 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia/Tahoe, M1 & M5 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, Logic, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScore/Notion/Overture
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
"Please don't tell me that I have to define irony." Could you, please? We Florida Crackers ain't got much schoolin'. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.
Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.
Holiday Weekend Hours
As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:
April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours
Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!
— Team PG
Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!
If you're already using RealBand 2026 for Windows, download build 10 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,174
Posts801,614
Members40,061
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean