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pat.
all i want is a happy world.
a pipe dream mebe.
but mebe one day it will happen.
and there wont be many people living in the world in dire situations
without decent housing and nutrition etc etc.
talking of religion..where i have a problem..
(and i believe in the old brit adage...do unto others as you would want to be treated.)
if there truly is a god overseeing us all...why do many of his (or her)
children have such pain n suffering on this earth ??
ive talked with many great religious minds on this aspect without getting reconciliation.
my mother of 92 says we are here on this looney planet as a "test".
her theory is our path is chosen by us before we come here.
viz you can choose long life or wealth or love or whatever ,
but not everything.
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(and i believe in the old brit adage...do unto others as you would want to be treated.)
Brits did a lot but I don't think they can claim that one!
/kinda grumpy this morning
//get off my lawn!
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rharv, I must agree with you there.  By the way what is it that America exports most?
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[quote /kinda grumpy this morning //get off my lawn!
funny you should say that, Bob..
I've been noticing something about discussion banter that I had never caught before.
In the morning when I am rested and having my coffee, I tend to post thoughts that are upbeat. But at night when I come home tired after getting beat up at work all day, I re-read what I wrote in the morning and it no longer resonates with me. AND I'M THE SAME PERSON WHO WROTE IT! I can't blame the changed perception on somebody else's different world view, because I have the same world view as myself.
So I have to allow that how we feel when we read posts in a forum has a lot to do with how we respond.
Bear in mind as you read this that I just got up and I'm having my morning coffee. Later tonight when I re-read this I'll be thinking "what a load of nonsense! Who thought up this junk anyway?"
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pat.
all i want is a happy world.
a pipe dream mebe.
interestingly, some people claim to be happy in spite of the fact that this life is not perfect. So, whereas it is a pipe dream to have a perfect world, it is totally attainable to have a reasonably happy and fulfilling life
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but mebe one day it will happen.
and there wont be many people living in the world in dire situations
without decent housing and nutrition etc etc.
talking of religion..where i have a problem..
I make a distinction between religion and faith. I am a big fan of faith, but I think religion is inherently false... by definition I see "religion" as man's made up way of being acceptable. Interesting to note that the word RELIGION is only mentioned a few times in the bible, and it is almost always in the context of a false belief system.
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(and i believe in the old brit adage...do unto others as you would want to be treated.)
You believe that? Well, I believe it too! (FWIW, that's a paraphrased quote from the bible.)
Maybe we aren't so different after all.
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if there truly is a god overseeing us all...why do many of his (or her)
children have such pain n suffering on this earth ??
ive talked with many great religious minds on this aspect without getting reconciliation.
my mother of 92 says we are here on this looney planet as a "test".
her theory is our path is chosen by us before we come here.
viz you can choose long life or wealth or love or whatever ,
but not everything.
I think the reason why this same question gets asked in virtually every forum discussion of faith is this:
mankind has made up a god who is apparently a nice old man wearing a housecoat and flip-flops who either does nice things for those who pray, or smites bad people. They hold this made-up god to an arbitrary set of standards, then get angry and disappointed when he fails to live up to the imagined expectations.
This idea of "putting God to the test" fails because it does not take into consideration who God really claims to be, or what He has really promised. It's like going to court to sue the manufacturer of some product because you didn't get rich from using the product.... but the manufacturer never claimed you would
Imagine somebody who steps off a cliff, then says "How could a loving gravity allow me to fall?"
That would be ridiculous. Anybody can look at the world and see what happens when you step off a cliff. It isn't gravity's fault the person who walked off the cliff fell down. Gravity is good. It keeps us grounded (pardon the pun)
A better question might be to ask why the guy's brother let him walk off the cliff.
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Biggest export = food - grain mostly. A lot of it is given away and not figured into the financial repots as such. Almost half of the world's grain export comes from the US. Medical items are very high on the list also BTW. Pat, at least we know when we are out of sorts.. that must count for something (I hope). 
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Biggest export = food - grain mostly. A lot of it is given away and not figured into the financial repots as such.
Almost half of the world's grain export comes from the US.
Medical items are very high on the list also BTW.
Pat, at least we know when we are out of sorts.. that must count for something (I hope).
Bob,
if that's the way you respond when you're grouchy, you are a prince of kindness! Your responses on every thread I've seen have been gracious, long-suffering and helpful. In a forum, that's the best possible combination. So, if this is worst-case, Now I want to see how you respond when you're in a good mood!
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talking of religion..where i have a problem..
(and i believe in the old brit adage...do unto others as you would want to be treated.)
if there truly is a god overseeing us all...why do many of his (or her)
children have such pain n suffering on this earth ??
Manning, you answered the question yourself in your own post. There is suffering not because God is negligent, but because of man's inhumanity to man. The meanness comes from people, not from God.
If people did what the bible says (your own quote about doing unto others) there would be less of that. So if you want the effect that is derived from the practicing of faith, I don't understand why you would have a problem with the discussion of that mindset.
Interestingly, this is a variation on the same theme of entitlement we have been discussing. Remember, entitlement is the mindset of making somebody else responsible for what we should be doing for ourselves. It's easier to blame God for the condition of the world than it is to change our behavior and walk in love toward one another. (Or are we only concerned about what OTHER people aren't doing? Where does personal accountability fit into the equation?)
But I speak in concrete and limited analogies and terms. Let us move on to a larger possibility that the ultimate plan of an eternal God just might be a lot bigger than we can comprehend, and so it is somewhat pointless to try justifying an infinite truth with a finite mind.
Principles don't need for us to understand them, they stand on their own merit. Long before Newton understood gravity, gravity still worked. Even if you don't believe in gravity, if you step off a cliff, gravity will still do what gravity does. Disbelief in reality does not negate reality.
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pat..
your right of course , meanness comes from people.
frankly ive given up reading the daily newspapers ,
cos every day they are full of news items where
someone has hurt someone else. or hurt even an animal.
and i find so much news upsetting.
rharv..re do unto others..my aplogies mate..
of course its a world saying.
i didnt mean to imply it wasnt.
it was drilled into me by my parents//school from a young age.
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