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I really get tired of converting from inches to metric.

According to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency's online The World Factbook (2016), the only countries that have not adopted the metric system are Myanmar (also known as Burma), Liberia and the United States.
Is there some reason for this? Two lazy to change? To dumb to learn a new system?

Two sets of wrenches, two sets of sockets...

Things are sold in US measurements but when you actually measure them they are in metric dimensions. Water in plastic containers...16.9 FL or 1.05 PT or 500 mL.

Irritating!!

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Originally Posted By: Planobilly
I really get tired of converting from inches to metric.

According to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency's online The World Factbook (2016), the only countries that have not adopted the metric system are Myanmar (also known as Burma), Liberia and the United States.
Is there some reason for this? Two lazy to change? To dumb to learn a new system?

Two sets of wrenches, two sets of sockets...

Things are sold in US measurements but when you actually measure them they are in metric dimensions. Water in plastic containers...16.9 FL or 1.05 PT or 500 mL.

Irritating!!

Billy


Totally understand your frustration, Billy.

Australia converted from imperial to metric in the 1970's. We have never looked back. I have to admit I am still surprised that countries that have not converted include where you are.

BTW: I am totally conversant in either system, I have and continually use many machine tools including micrometers and calipers that are imperial, but know which system I definitely prefer.

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Billy I totally agree. I worked for 39 years in R&D where the metric system was used. It is such an easy system to learn and use. I'm all for changing over to the metric system.


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I've been upset about my "measurement" for years.....

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I've been upset about my "measurement" for years.....

Turning 70 soon? Can't guarantee an improvement, sorry grin


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When I was in grade school in the early 1970s, they did start us on the path of learning the metric system. That lasted a few years then it just seemed to drop from curriculums. I haven't Googled enough to find the reasons at the time.




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Well...there are certain times when I actually prefer imperial measurements. I also run CNC machines and I find it a little easer to think in thousandths of an inch. I also have no issue machining metric.

I understand it cost money to convert to the metric system and I also understand the metric system does not lend itself to the use of fractions...but this is a world we now live in based on standards.

My irritation is not about any specific system, it is about standards. The same goes for language. I can think in French but I have to translate from English to Spanish in my head.
I enjoy speaking Spanish with my friends here in Miami but I get irritated when I go to the drug store and need to have a technical conversation. Speak in the damn language of your money...lol

I am not asking for a universal language but I want to conduct business in the common language of the country with certain exceptions. What language do you think a South Korean pilot talks to the tower in at a airport in Paris, France?

We do not have an official language in the United States. And contrary to popular belief we are not the center of the known universe...lol

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Originally Posted By: Planobilly
... What language do you think a South Korean pilot talks to the tower in at a airport in Paris, France?

Isn't that English?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Originally Posted By: Planobilly
... What language do you think a South Korean pilot talks to the tower in at a airport in Paris, France?

Isn't that English?


Yes Matt, it is English by international agreement. I have not looked at the history of aircraft communications. I would assume we started out with no standards and perhaps French may have been used at one time. I say that because French was the universal language of diplomacy for many years.

Billy

EDIT: After a quick look I don't see any other language other than English every having been used. In fact the FAA only came into being in 1956. Large numbers of international flights are pretty recent in history. Did Lindbergh even have a radio?

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In Canada we adopted the metric system many years ago, and I have learned it of necessity.
In the beginning it seemed like it would be strictly enforced (don't know how) and the switch seemed to be complete. I remember seeing an architectural metric house plan. The standard measurement was millimetres! YUP, can you imagine?

An 8' x 12' room = ~2438mm x 3658mm.
Do you think carpenters at the time welcomed that change? lol

Since then it seems like the "laws" have slipped a little.
You can still buy a 2x4 at the lumber yard and items are sometimes advertised by the pound.
I pity the school kids here nowadays. They have to learn the metric system only to run across these anomalies.

It's a good thing the dollar was already divided into 100.
And that's my 2¢ (CDN).

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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
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... What language do you think a South Korean pilot talks to the tower in at a airport in Paris, France?

Isn't that English?

Presumably because that's what Wilbur and Orville spoke smile


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Yet with all of Europe being metric, soccer fields still have a 6 yard box in front of the goal.

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Originally Posted By: Lloyd S
You can still buy a 2x4 at the lumber yard


And they are 1.5 x 3.5!!

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The United States Congress passed the Metric Conversion Act in 1975. It was part of many energy saving measures adopted during that time period.

The Act proposed a ten year plan to convert the US from Imperial to Metric measurements. One of the most visible examples of change was speed limit signs displayed speed limits in both miles per hour and kilometers per hour. Another highly visible example is vehicle speedometers display both mph and kph.

Unfortunately, our politicians made conversion voluntary. Since the initial push the conversion has stalled.


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I can't say I can use these tools well...but



I do know how to use this one and their big brothers.



I guess I could give you directions to my house in gcode...a joke for Trevor...lol

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Here in the UK we have a mix of metric and imperial, but strangely it all seems to work OK.
The currency is now metric (since 1971) but personal measurements are feet and inches or pounds and ounces.
Distances are in miles and we drink beer in pints. Petrol (gas) is in litres and you can buy milk in litres or pints.
Occasionally you can still find a bolt which has a Whitworth thread, but that's another story and one for those who have an old British motorbike.

At the end of the day, I think it's just what you get used to.

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As Rog said, here in the UK we seem to use either. Personally I tend to use metric for everything except temperature. Centigrade is all well and good but Fahrenheit just feels warmer to me.

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I am quite happy in the UK using either - most of my tape measures have both. but the rope cutter on the prop shaft of my boat is an american design and needs an 11/64ths allen key. metric or imperial that's extremely strange!

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Here was the event that caused the irritation about the system of measurement yesterday.

I needed 3MM solder but some but not all solder sold in the United States is sold in imperial measurements.

Who can convert 3MM to inches in their head? 3MM = 0.1811 Who can convert 0.1811 to MM in their head.

3 divided by 25.4 = 0.1811

0.1811 X 25.4 = 2.99974 or round up to 3

I want to buy a damn roll of solder not do math conversion formulas or ask the internet to do the conversion.

I want to buy it in English and I don't want to need to remember it is called soldado in Spanish.

This would have someone else issue to solve in the past because I would have ask for it in person or on the phone. I rarely buy anything in person or on the phone any longer.

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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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