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The Time It TakesI've spent too many nights alone crying in the dark wondered how I'd live without you (Live without you)alone (Alone)all alone with nothing but these memories (Alone with memories)But now Every day I smile a little more I see the light that shines (Light shines through the door)through a slowly opening door feels like someone finally let in the sun (Let in the sun)and a new day's begun I can breathe again I'm coming out of Nowhere Land (Nowhere Land)didn't think I'd ever find (Think I'd find)the strength to start (To start)I'm on my way back (On my way back)'Cause I can understand (I understand)the time that it takes (Time it takes to mend my heart)to mend a broken heart Something's changing in my heart (Something is changing)I'm safe here in the dark I know that I can live without you Alone (Alone)all alone (Alone)You're nothing but a memory I've closed this chapter in the book (Closed this book)my future lies before me I'll write a different story (Stories change, so do you)without you without you (Without you)I can breathe again (Breathe again)I'm coming out from Nowhere Land (Nowhere Land)Didn't think I'd ever make (Make a start)a brand new start I am letting you go (I let you go)Now that I understand (I understand)the time that it takes (Time it takes)to mend a broken heart (To mend my heart)Finally let you go (let you go)Now I understand (understand)The time that it takes (The time it takes)to mend a broken heart (To mend my heart)The InstrumentsBass, Electric FunkHalfNotePulseSync Ev16 100 Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Soul60sHeld Ev 110 Drums, FunkHalfNotePulse Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Soul60sHeld Ev 110 Loop, HipHop\Old School - ush105c drums ev8 Guitar, Electric, Rhythm JazzFunkGroovinChords Ev16 110 Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Soul70sWarmA-B Ev16 100 Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Syncopated Sugar Ev 102 Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Soul70sHeld Ev16 100 Guitar, 12-String Acoustic, Fingerpicking FolkRock Ev 100 Piano, Electric, Rhythm, SmoothPoppy Ev16 090 (Held Chords) Piano, SynthLayer, Rhythm Soul70sA-B Ev16 100 (Held Chords) Piano, Electric, Rhythm JazzRockHeld Ev16 100.WAV (Held Chords) The Signal ChainLead Vocal: Synthesizer V - Eleanor Forte Lite -> Vulf Compressor -> Neutron 3 -> VoiceCentric -> Spitfish De-esser Lead Vocal Ambience: EZ Mix (Studio B Reverb) Harmony: Synthesizer V - Eleanor Forte Lite -> VoiceCentric -> Sunset Sound Studio (Studio 3 Chamber) Bass: BootEQMkII EQ ->ReaComp Compressor Drums: Vulf Compressor (2 Bus Glue) -> Sunset Sound Studio (Live Room Studio 3) -> Vulf Compressor (Old School Crunch) -> BootEQMkII -> ReaEQ Drum FX: Raum Reverb (Clap Raum) Loop: Vulf Compressor Rhythm Electric: None Strummed Ac. Gtr: EZMix2 (Guitar 2 compressor/EQ) Piano: JS Tremolo 12 String Gtr: EZMix2 (Guitar - EQ shape) Short VersionComments welcome!  Way Too Many WordsI thought that I'd have a go at a J-Pop sort of song. I'm not really that familiar with the style, so I did some research via Google. I found a number of YouTube videos, and among other things, they suggested chord progressions along the lines of: - IVmaj7 V/IV iii7 vi7
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Armed with this information, I searched through the BiaB demo styles until I found the style _KPJAZZY Demo - Jazzy Soul K-Pop. I suspect that the drum loop was one of the main reasons I picked the style, although I didn't really notice there was a loop at the time. I was hoping to find something a bit more electronic pop in the styles, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of that - even in the MIDI section. I remember one interview I read where the author said that JPop had long chord progressions, which is pretty much what I do anyway. But with virtually no listening done for research, I can guarantee that this will not sound like authentic JPop.  With a basic backing track, I opened up SynthV and put together a melody. It didn't really have a strong chorus, and it ended in on a minor, but I figured I'd trust the process and go with it. Two times through the song clocked in at a bit under 3 minutes, which was good because there were already a lot of notes to be given lyrics, and I didn't relish the idea of an extra-long song with a weak chorus. Then... no inspiration for lyrics. Zip, nil, nada, nothing. It was too cheerful to be a sad song, but to slow and lacking hooks to be the dancey sort of fluff I had hoped for. Over a week of failing to make any progress, I was feeling pretty desperate. But that's how it typically worked, so I kept at it. Finally, I listened to chulaivet1966's "Stranger in a Strange Land", and started thinking: What if instead of time that caused everything to change, how about a failed relationship where you found yourself single again? And that got me writing something, which is a lot more than nothing. Not that the final lyric was anything like the original idea, of course. Planning will only get me so far. I've said before that it's best to have a chorus in mind when writing a song. But again, I found myself linearly writing the song from the beginning, and only getting to the chorus when I discovered what it was. Once the first half of the song was written, it occurred to me that, similar to some other songs I'd written, the second half could basically be an answer to the first half. Getting it to work seemed much more difficult that it should have been, but eventually fell into place. Honestly, this whole song feels hackneyed - nothing terribly original here, and most of the rhymes have been used a bazillion times already. But despite this, I think it's fairly solid write, and I'm happy with how it turned out. Or that it turned out at all!  Once the lyrics were done, it was time to create some sort of arrangement. So I auditioned a whole bunch of RealTracks, and then generated a version of the song with holds and auditioned some more tracks. I also created a version of the song with only held chords, and rendered a bunch of instruments for that. Most of the instruments didn't make it into the final mix, but it was good to have them available. I also edited the loop so there were three versions - just the kick, one with everything but the claps, and then the regular loop. That gave me some room to build. I mean, if Bud can edit the drum parts in his song, who am I to do otherwise? I'd gotten used to the song as a solo vocal, but wrote a counter-line for it anyway. I ended up writing way too much and having to scale it back quite a bit. All those lovely competing lines lost to posterity for the sake of clarity. The main problem with counter-lines is that they need some level of independence. But if you overlap consonants, suddenly the lyrics aren't understandable. Change the melody and forget to change the counter-line? Oooops!So I open SynthV, edit the lyric, re-render, listen again... And then find another issue. It seems to be a never-ending cycle. Sigh. Once that was done, it was time to pare things down so it sounded like an arrangement. Once that was done, I handed it over to my son, who trimmed it down even more, and did some magic to the signal chain to clean it up. One of my goals with my mixes is to try to get a fair amount of clarity. That mostly happens when less instruments are playing. Although there are a good number of instruments on the track, they generally don't play together. For example, while there are several piano tracks, the piano that plays in the intro only appears there. Then it was time to listen, find more issues with the vocal, fix them, listen again... lather rinse and repeat. Again... thanks for reading (and hopefully listening)! Comments welcome!
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David (& Son)... These get better with each new offering. (or maybe I'm just getting used to the vocaloid thing ). I like the song. A good write. (Although...I think there are too many words/new ideas as the song progresses... my "Pop expectations" is for far more repetition of catch phrases...) The secondary/background vocaloid sounds REAL. Impressive. (nice counterlines, again). Really nice arrangement. I'm not really familiar with J-Pop, so I can't speak to that... Good mix - it "sat on the ear" nicely - nothing stood out, everything in the right space... I'm enjoying your journey. fj
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David,
I like the shiny optimism in the write and Eleanor`s so-human vocal.
Good changes ( from whatever genre)- you have a talent for flowing melodies.
Excellent production as usual; those counterpoint bgv`s are beautifully timed.
Much more enjoyable than K-Pop!
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These get better with each new offering. (or maybe I'm just getting used to the vocaloid thing ). Thanks! It's a work in progress, but hopefully I'm getting better with this tool. I like the song. A good write. (Although...I think there are too many words/new ideas as the song progresses... my "Pop expectations" is for far more repetition of catch phrases...) I agree - that's something that impresses me with Bob Dean's songs. I figured that with the long progression I'd run into this kind of problem this was likely to be an issue. I'll keep this in mind doing forward. The secondary/background vocaloid sounds REAL. Impressive. (nice counterlines, again). I had trouble getting the background vocal to sit well in the mix. In general, I think I put them too far forward in the mix. I think the proper reverb helped it sit in the background so it could finally do the job of supporting instead of competing with the man vocal. Really nice arrangement. I'm not really familiar with J-Pop, so I can't speak to that... Good mix - it "sat on the ear" nicely - nothing stood out, everything in the right space... Honestly, I can't claim that this is even close to J-Pop, just that I pilfered harmonic ideas. I'm really happy with the arrangement and mix - especially the first half. It's tough for me to get clarity because I usually overstuff the arrangement, so I'm happy to hear that's not the case here. I'm enjoying your journey. I keep having to remind myself that patience is the key to this. It's not something that comes naturally (any more, anyway), but it's really cool when all the pieces finally come together at the end. I appreciate the positive feedback!
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David,
I like the shiny optimism in the write and Eleanor`s so-human vocal. Thanks! I do try to keep things upbeat, even if the topic is depressing. Good changes ( from whatever genre)- you have a talent for flowing melodies.
Excellent production as usual; those counterpoint bgv`s are beautifully timed.
Much more enjoyable than K-Pop! I'm a sucker for interesting chord changes, often to the detriment of my songs. It's good to hear the melodies work. The counter-lines are fun, even if I get a bit grumbly about them sometimes. It's nice to have singers who can don't complain that they're stuck doing background vocals, don't need to be pitch corrected, and don't complain when I keep rewriting parts! Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
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David, you have mastered that vocaloid. It sounds like a real person singing. Outstanding work!
I also like different and interesting chord changes and you did a fantastic job on this one.
You have come a long way with the vocaloid.
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David, you have mastered that vocaloid. It sounds like a real person singing. Outstanding work! Thanks! I also like different and interesting chord changes and you did a fantastic job on this one. I appreciate that! Thanks for stopping to comment!
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David
I'll admit I find myself listening to the vocalist more than the song to see how the technology is progressing.
The backing vocals sound excellent and the lead vocal is clear and melodic, but more synthetic than the backing vocal sound.
Good mix and a nice overall listen.
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David, Fun piece of music. Hooks upon hooks Mix is one of your best. You made it way too easy for human singer, all he/she has to do is follow your robo girl. Thank you for sharing. Misha.
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Another very cool song. Excellent backtrack and well laid out. Vocaloid and harmonies are very cool. Excellent lyric..
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"She" sounds to me much more like an FX'ed human than a virtual singer. The only J-pop I've listened to in any quantity is over opening/closing credits in Anime. This is very much along those lines. Hat's off to you for sheer perseverance. Hat's off to me for actually reading all o' that. Much enjoyed.
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Hi David, Listened to this a couple of days ago but didn't have time to comment. I think this has to be the best you have done so far with the vocaloid, not bad! Especially the harmonies. But most of all, a really good song. Good mix also! Good stuff, keep them coming!
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I'll admit I find myself listening to the vocalist more than the song to see how the technology is progressing. That's as valid a reason as any! The backing vocals sound excellent and the lead vocal is clear and melodic, but more synthetic than the backing vocal sound. That seems to be the general consensus. I'm guessing that it's partly because the background vocal is pushed further to the back and has more reverb. There's also more processing on the lead vocal, and it's a push a bit further from the default timbre of the voice. I've removed some of the processing and it's a bit less harsh, but not enough to really explain the difference. Just something for me to work on in the future, I guess. Good mix and a nice overall listen. Thanks, Peter. I appreciate your feedback.
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WOW David super job on this peace really great mix and great use of the V awesome stuff thanks for sharing Eric
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David, Fun piece of music. Hooks upon hooks Mix is one of your best. You made it way too easy for human singer, all he/she has to do is follow your robo girl. Hi, Misha. Glad to hear you liked it. Of course, the risk of producing it fully like this is when the singer says "Great guide vocal... but it's a terrible key for me!"  Of course, BiaB makes it relatively easy to change keys, so.. Thanks for the feedback!
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Another very cool song. Excellent backtrack and well laid out. Vocaloid and harmonies are very cool. Excellent lyric.. Hi, Scott. Thanks for mentioning the lyric - for me, that's the hardest part!
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"She" sounds to me much more like an FX'ed human than a virtual singer. Excellent! The only J-pop I've listened to in any quantity is over opening/closing credits in Anime. This is very much along those lines. Hat's off to you for sheer perseverance. Hat's off to me for actually reading all o' that. My hat is indeed off to you, kind sir! That missive is far too much to expect anyone to read! I'm glad you enjoyed the song!
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I think this has to be the best you have done so far with the vocaloid, not bad! Especially the harmonies. I'm happy to hear that. It's always good to hear I'm making progress. But most of all, a really good song. Good mix also! Good stuff, keep them coming! Thanks, I appreciate the kind words! I'll keep plugging away!
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WOW David super job on this peace really great mix and great use of the V awesome stuff thanks for sharing Hi, Eric. Thanks for listening and posting positive feedback - I appreciate it!
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Another fine recording. I love how your lyrics match the vocal deliveries. The two voices harmonize nicely. Well done.
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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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