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Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655021 05/09/21 02:53 PM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Just wanted to add some graphics. This is how far the back fence is from the back steps. That's 75 ft from the back steps and my yard is 60 feet wide. That woods goes to the left 5 properties, to the right 5 properties, and then wraps around the end of the dead end street where I live, and it's about 400 feet deep. It's 20 acres in total. And there is a Sunoco gas pipeline buried there so nobody can ever build there. Deer, wild turkeys, raccoons, squirrels, groundhogs, (all the usual woods animals) live back there, and twice a year or so I see pheasant The back of that fire pit (which will be gone) will be the back of the 14x14 building. The aforementioned alarm system. That tail never stops wagging, but he has a protective edge bred into him, so when the bell goes off, he will throw down.

Re: DAY JOB? #655077 05/10/21 05:13 AM Off-Topic
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,483 Middlesex, NC	eddie1261 Quote: So adding those things up Herb, obviously you know electricity, and I will also assume you wired your studio building. So my question is this. How big a circuit breaker does that studio run on? Knowing that not every piece of gear is not always powered on, and knowing what I typically have powered on at once running on a 15 amp breaker, can I then assume that I could tap off the power in the garage that runs on a 20 and pretty much only powers the garage door opener? (Which, of course, only draws power when it is going up or down.) If I could break off of that it would make life easy if I built that studio building. I'd only have to trench about 10 feet from the garage to bury the conduit. The power in the upstairs studio as it is right now powers the computer and monitor, 2 powered speakers, and a keyboard or guitar amp, depending on what I am doing. I don't pop the 15 amp breaker, so I can't imagine I'd pop a 20! I plan to have skylights for daytime use and the same lamp I have up there now if I work at night. I would use spray foam insulation so it won't be loud. Really considering this! My local code allows me 200 sq ft without a permit, so I'd go 14x14 (192). And if there are no permits for size, I can have my friend run that electric over without a permit too since the city won't even know I am building. Probably looking at a mini split for HVAC, but still doing research. I don't even know yet if they run on 110 or if I'd need 220 for it. If it does, THEN the game plan changes. Though as I think about a 14x14 room, a mini split seems like WAY overkill. I heat a 12x14 bedroom with a portable heater. Logic would seem like a portable cooler would do the same. Even a 5000 BTU room AC would be way too much for that space. Before my house had central AC I cooled a 16x14 living room with a 5000 BTU window AC and it got TOO cold in there. I have 2 small ceramic room heaters. Room HVAC seems like it may be an expense I don't need to incur. So.... I have a main service panel with 4 double pole spaces and a 200A main. The house is on the 200 amp lugs fed through. My water pump is on one double pole space, the garage is on another, a surge suppressor is on another and I wired my studio to another. The studio is wired with #10 UF on a 30a breaker. It's approximately 150 feet or so from the service to the studio. I knew I was going to add heat and air with a ductless mini split. Trust me, you will want heat and air in your studio if for no other reason than to reduce the humidity your gear is living in. However, on cold winter nights and hot summer days, I can work on my music in 68 to 72 degree comfort. Window AC is really loud whereas a mini split is extremely quiet. You don't hardly know it's on which is really nice when you are tracking vocals. I have a sub panel in the studio wired for 240v. All the normal stuff is on the 120v circuits single pole breakers. I run a pair of computers, a mini fridge (gotta have beer and water you know) and lights plus all the outboard stuff for the studio and a pair of lava lamps. I also feed the pole barn lights and fans from this sub panel. If you decide to get a mini split, get a 240v model since the power drawn is less than the some one in 120v models. Given the info you provided.... Is the 20a cb for the garage a single or double? If it's a single.... you would want to consider swapping it to a 2 pole to get you 240v to the garage. Your friend ...who hopefully knows how to work with electricity and do things by code.... even though you're not pulling permits.... can look at the wiring and see how difficult or easy it would be switching from 120v to 240v. Going to 240 lets you double the available current and use a 240v mini split. If the garage is fed with #12 UF, it's not difficult to convert to 240v. The key is if you can get proper, code compliant, grounding at the sub panel in the garage. That is seriously important. Not only for safety, but to have quiet gear without those annoying ground loop hums. Regarding the mini split sizing.... the companies that sell them have room size calculators on their websites. Calculate the room size and insulation values of the walls, and ceiling. There's a size that will be recommended. if it's close to the upper edge of the envelope.... size it up. However, don't go too big or you risk other issues. Hopefully this helps answer some of your questions. If you have more, just ask. Last edited by Guitarhacker; 05/10/21 05:16 AM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655089 05/10/21 05:38 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	This is the kind of thread that makes me love forums. Knowledgeable people (you) will to help an idiot (me). I have SOME construction background, and I can build with wood well enough that I could assemble a shed kit up to the point where the shell is standing. THEN comes the stuff I don't know. Running Romex though the studs, for example. How much excess do I leave? What do I once I decide where the electric entry point to the building will be? DO I want a panel out there or is this all going to be powered from the panel in the basement and just the 2 circuits Romex will run through a buried conduit? The ethernet stuff I can handle. If the power will be on a panel then I call Brian the electrician and have him do it at a level where I DO spend money for a permit. There won't be water out there other than what falls onto the top of it. Keeping in mind that this is all in the "considering" phase... You guys know your stuff!! And I appreciate you sharing it.

Re: DAY JOB? #655142 05/10/21 10:44 AM Off-Topic
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,483 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: eddie1261 This is the kind of thread that makes me love forums. Knowledgeable people (you) will to help an idiot (me). I have SOME construction background, and I can build with wood well enough that I could assemble a shed kit up to the point where the shell is standing. THEN comes the stuff I don't know. Running Romex though the studs, for example. How much excess do I leave? What do I once I decide where the electric entry point to the building will be? DO I want a panel out there or is this all going to be powered from the panel in the basement and just the 2 circuits Romex will run through a buried conduit? The ethernet stuff I can handle. If the power will be on a panel then I call Brian the electrician and have him do it at a level where I DO spend money for a permit. There won't be water out there other than what falls onto the top of it. Keeping in mind that this is all in the "considering" phase... You guys know your stuff!! And I appreciate you sharing it. When it comes to running the wire.... If you're not knowledgeable about it, hire it out to a licensed electrician. If you plan on running pipe underground, be sure you have wire with insulation rated for wet location. Be sure to size it at least one trade size bigger. And put a spare pipe in the ground too. You might not think you need it and you might never need it but if you do, you will regret not spending a few minutes to include it. Romex is not rated for wet or damp. Minimum of 6" of wire out of the box to work with. Generally the closest place is where you come in. Yes i would have a small panel for the studio so it's easy to reset breakers and it saves on wire costs. No long homeruns to a panel in the basement. And i believe if it's a separate building.... It's supposed to have the breakers in that building for safety reasons. Of course you want everything done correctly but especially when it comes to your electric. Last edited by Guitarhacker; 05/10/21 10:48 AM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655167 05/10/21 02:02 PM Off-Topic
Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,729 Victoria, BC Simon - PG Music Product Manager
Simon - PG Music Product Manager Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,729 Victoria, BC	I can't speak for the electrical part, but building the actual studio building - I would personally avoid doing 14x14, since square rooms will create all sorts of acoustic issues (generally will be frequency response issues in the room which will affect your mixing and recordings). I'd do something more like 16x12 or 18x11. I'm not an expert on acoustics, but you should take a look at a room mode calculator like this: https://www.bobgolds.com/Mode/RoomModes.htm Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 05/11/21 07:49 AM. I work here

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655178 05/10/21 03:47 PM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Ah yes. The lava lamps!!! I don't know much about my electrical panel but I know I have 200 amp service and I have a lot of room to expand. I have a text in to the electrician that did my work when I bought the house and guy up the street with a trencher to dig for the conduit to be buried in. I have a lot of the ancillary pieces in place. Just no cement pad or building to set on it! LOL!!

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655186 05/10/21 04:48 PM Off-Topic
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Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,703 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Eddie, one of the cost issues is copper wire to run from the house to the new building. The closer the building the better. The wire needs to be sized for no more than a 3% voltage drop. I am just guessing because I don't remember how long the wire needs to be but 8 gauge will probably work. 8/4 will cost apx three dollars per foot. 6/4 is around four dollars per foot. Underground cable direct burial. To be in code there has to be a shut off box on the outside of the building. Normally a service panel of some sort mainly for the fire department. Then a service panel/breaker box inside. The elect part of this project is nothing to screw around with for many reasons. I know how to do all this stuff but I always hire a licensed electrician and pull a permit. I may actually do the work to save money but I have a electrician to back me up. Billy Billy Last edited by Planobilly; 05/10/21 05:02 PM. “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655188 05/10/21 05:14 PM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	It is going to be 20 feet of wire just to leave the house. My service is at the northwest corner of the house. It will leave the house in the northeast corner and run 20 more feet to where the building would be. So 40 feet to get to the building, Then a small panel installation, and an outlet every 8 feet, so about 2 per wall minimum. More likely 3 per wall. I can only gauge my normal electricity use, but since I had the panel upgrade done right before buying the house (I was a renter here for 4 years and the wiring did not pass inspection) I have not tripped a breaker. I used to have a workshop downstairs and I would try to use the table saw with the shop vac connected to it to suck on the sawdust. As soon as wood hit the blade and added some resistance to the motor, the breaker would trip. Once I had the upgrade to 200 amp and 6 more circuits put into the basement, all on 20 amp breakers, I can now do that simple thing with no concerns. I run a lot 24/7 here but it's all such low draw items my consumption stays relatively low. I have never done what a venue does for sound check where they push all the lights and power amps as far as they could every go to see if anything blows up. I just need it all done to code and everything will be fine. At any given moment the most I will have pulling power is a computer, the 32" TV that is my monitor, the 2 speakers, and a keyboard or guitar amp. I really don't use a lot of current because that's a single purpose room. What is at the root of this decision is whether I want to spend $5000-ish on this novelty room I may use once a week if that often. It'd be slick to have a building dedicated to a music studio, but the other side of that coin is that I would also have 2 rooms in my upstairs I would never see again. I have 1200 sq feet here and that is very roomy for a single guy with a dog who never has company. The logic is that if I DID have this cool little "escape" room I might work more on music. I am in a complete rut the last year or so and I have no idea how to get out of it. I have no ideas for songs, my days are all exactly the same to the point where I oft7en check my mailbox on Sunday because unless it's football season I really don't know what day it is. Because I don't have to!

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655229 05/11/21 06:28 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Just a pic of where it would be. It really is square but from where I am standing the proportion is off. It's 14x14 and there are bricks laying on the ground.

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655232 05/11/21 07:52 AM Off-Topic
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Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655237 05/11/21 08:51 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	NO moving for me at my age. Plus up here I have a "support network" of people I can call when I need extra hands for something, or when I have a medical procedure that I can't drive home from. That kind of thing. I am not a "meet-er" (no shock there, eh?) and if I moved anywhere else I would have nobody at all to call for stuff like that. And here I know "places" and such. Best butcher, best pizza, best mechanic, best contractors... I don't want to start adulthood again at 70 and search for "people" again. I do plan to make a short trip west soon to pick something up from an internet friend....

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655242 05/11/21 10:17 AM Off-Topic
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Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,703 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Well Eddie, I totally get not wanting to move. I have considered buying another larger house/move. That is really a pretty stupid idea for me. The only thing that would change would be a bigger garage and a bigger yard. Then the question becomes move where? I curse south Florida in the summer and love it in the winter. I only want to see snow on TV. I am sure I must have a pair of socks somewhere. I have a jacket but only use it when I go to Europe. I don't work, but the business has a bad habit of calling me when things go seriously wrong so I need to be around most of the time. We normally spend a couple of months a year in Europe but the pandemic has put an end to that. Who knows when things will return to normal anywhere. Second thing is everything is getting so expensive I hope I die before I run out of money...lol Two days ago, $500 for a new AC for the garage. Thursday I need to take my truck to the shop...$700 for a new starter. Wife wants to go to St Augustine, 7 hours from here to spend a couple of days. Two just born baby doves have decided that they want to live on my front porch and expect me to feed them....lol Amazon...don't even ask...lol If you can afford the new building and it is something you want go do it. You are not taking anything with you and you are not going to live forever. Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655248 05/11/21 10:40 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	I laugh when I read stories in the news about a guy who was rich and then "tragically lost all his money, then he died." That sounds like PERFECT timing to me. Go to Denny's for one last Grand Slam, and keel over.

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655270 05/11/21 03:12 PM Off-Topic
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,827 Winston Salem, NC USA	Eddie, Just thinking out loud here; how many times a week do you think you'd trump out to the building after one or more of those lake effect snowfalls ya'll get in the wintertime? I'd be thinking of renovating one of your existing music rooms. Maybe repainting, adding more lava lamps, a disco ball, ferns, whatever gets you excited about one of the rooms again. Could be as simple as just getting a new desk and chair. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655313 05/12/21 04:58 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Jim, the weather is indeed a consideration, but I don't use my music room much NOW so I don't know if that's because I hate the room (which I do) or I am just sick of music (which I am). The picture in this post is what the room would look like if there was no wall and I could shoot a photo of the shape. And this is what I hate about it. The amount of usable space is cut into by those barn shaped angular walls. About halfway up the sloped walls is 5.5 feet, so everything below that point is barely usable room. The room I'd build would be 192 sq ft of actual usable space. Since I am limited to 200, that is as big as I can go without an expensive permit that has a long list of requirements attached to it. These are all the things I have to weigh out (or put on the old school Ben Franklin T with the pros on the left and the cons on the right). As considerations grow, so does the price tag. I don't even have a price on the slab yet. That alone may kill the idea! I haven't had to price anything like that since I had a driveway put in 11 years ago. That was 55 feet of prep and concrete, and it came in at $2300. 11 years ago. 4 years ago I asked a guy about a 10x8 area and he wanted $4000! This would be 15x15. Then there's the headache of finding somebody I trust to do it. I have a bad opinion of contractors. Given that this kind of thing is a toy for me and will never be used professionally, I won't get too concerned about acoustics. I don't record live instruments. The only live music that place would see is if I invited people to come by and just have fun, but I'll never record a live band. Last edited by eddie1261; 05/12/21 05:01 AM.

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655318 05/12/21 06:15 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Jim, you got me thinking!! That room I had in that picture was made by the previous owners and those walls represented by the black lines are just framing and drywall that they put in to make bedrooms. I can literally climb across the top of that drywall. Thus, I an also remove it and rebuild it in a different configuration. The would allow for more usable space. The knee wall is only about 42 inches high. I can change the angle of that side wall/ceiling piece by changing the stud work. That seems like a really good thing to consider is just making more usable space. The area between the original walls (black lines) and what would be the new walls (red lines) is right now just dead space. This is probably a really good idea and I have Jim to thank for making me think about it.

Re: DAY JOB? #655350 05/12/21 09:30 AM Off-Topic
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Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655359 05/12/21 11:40 AM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Possibly, Trev. I was hoping to bring that project in at 5000-5500. The shed kit is 3500. The pad is likely going to be 2500. Then someone to build the kit. Then electric, HVAC... Likely come in at 10,000 or over. That's a lot of guitars!

Re: DAY JOB? 90 dB #655361 05/12/21 12:01 PM Off-Topic
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,224 Mi., USA	You can climb across it? I'm impressed! If'n it was me, I'd strip it to the outside framing where needed. Only where needed, and I'd be real careful about anything that looks like a ceiling joist; it may be a cross-tie to keep things from folding up on top of you. I did this stuff in a former life (20 years construction, everything from carpenter to site superintendent for a new subdivision, so we're back on topic!). Work extra safe on old houses where structural integrity can be a little more challenging. Add new wiring so you can heat/cool it when needed. Frame new ceiling (if needed). Insulate Drywall Paint Move all your stuff back in .. Still hard to get done by others for your given budget. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: DAY JOB? rharv #655375 05/12/21 02:26 PM Off-Topic
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eddie1261 Unregistered E	Originally Posted By: rharv You can climb across it? I'm impressed! There are cross pieces I can low crawl on. Otherwise I'd be taking care of demo as I laid my girth on the drywall. Quote: I'd be real careful about anything that looks like a ceiling joist; it may be a cross-tie to keep things from folding up on top of you. I was up there before to restaple some of the insulation up after the roofers banging dropped some of it our of the ceiling rafters. There is nothing up there that wasn't there before the old owners built those bedrooms. They put in those ceilings to not have to heat all the way up to the peak, and I get it, but there has since been a far more efficient furnace put in and the insulation inspected and augmented/replaced where it was necessary. I would probably have the electrician climb around up there and see what he suggested. The biggest HVAC challenge up there is likely in part due to the fact that I seriously doubt the ducts have ever been cleaned. I can vouch for the years since 2004 that they have not, and the people who owner before were such butchers and so cheap I guarantee they NEVER had them done, so there may be 1963 dirt in those heat ducts. And here's where the suckage comes in. They added a full bathroom up there. That bathroom would make for some extreme engineering/architecture to raise that ceiling all the way up to the roof rafters. I can't explain how little that bathroom means to me other than to say this. Once of the first things I did when I moved in here in Dec 2004 was to turn off the water to that bathroom and it has never been turned on since. Geeze for the first 5 years I lived here I actually blocked off the doorway to get up there with an insulated frame insert I made and then covered with a piece of luan plywood. I had boxes of stuff I never used that went up there when I moved in and in 2009 when I opened the upstairs back up to reassemble a studio I went through those boxes and threw almost 100% of it away. I figured that if I didn't miss it in 5 years... I may do the building, I may do some renovation, I may do nothing. That's my "mystery wrapped in a riddle" persona.

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You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

July 23, 2025

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

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