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Sorry to take so long to get back my friends. TVI - have you tried running Reaper as administrator? Right click on the Reaperx shortcut and choose "Run As Administrator", see if that helps. Okay, I tried that Simon and I also set the buffer to 512 instead of 128 but still crashing. I did find that when in loop mode, Reaper doesn't crash, I guess it's because it's not stopping. I'm not sure where to go next, I've looked through the Reaper Preferences and didn't spot anything. I forget Dan, what version of BIAB do you have, I think you said 2021? It could be related to the 2020 version. Any BIAB persons that use Reaper and have BIAB 2020, and also use Windows 10?
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I forget Dan, what version of BIAB do you have, I think you said 2021? It could be related to the 2020 version. I am on most current version of BIAB-VST. And in my mind, for your case, it has always been about the older BIAB-VST 2020 version and/or your Reaper configurations. I did find that when in loop mode, Reaper doesn't crash, I guess it's because it's not stopping. I'm not sure where to go next, I've looked through the Reaper Preferences and didn't spot anything. Seems you have found a Reaper configuration setting which stops the crash. Perhaps you may need to post in the Reaper Forum to dig deeper.
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TVI and Dan. the problem these days is there are sooo many settings tween the daw and the sound device (in this case komplete 6. TVI is it multi client or not ?) and windows and also plug in settings (in this case bb which likes 44.1/16). if you go on lots of gear manufacturer user forums ie host daws/plug ins/sound devices etc etc user forums as well as general user forums where gear is discussed like gearspace.com , youll see lots of threads bout various issues related to the topic of "correct settings". so its not just limited to pg forums ; where every year one sees many posts related to settings. and possible problems. thus TVI (and i'm really annoyed at myself for not finding what the problem might be !) i started the following thread asking for clarification from pg because frankly certain aspects of plug in operation is not clear to me at a technical level. (i went through the pg vids again etc ) https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=660101#Post660101and in the bb wishlist i asked for a new series of vids re setting up settings in pg products in conjunction with host daws and win and popular sound devices. ie some clear set of rules. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=660009#Post660009it would help TVI if you could support both posts. i'm waiting for clarification from pg regarding the first subject above. ie a rules based answer is needed. because otherwise its a guessing game. the only idea i can think of further TVI is to download a demo of another daw and test bb as a plug in with it and see if NOW there is no problems etc . the other idea might be to try bb as a plug in within realband and see if that works. an interesting concept eh ? the reason i suggest trying another daw TVI is IF bb works flawlessly then we know its not a bug in bb and there is possibly an issue in reaps. however if the same problem occurs in another host daw it points possibly to a bug in bb. so maybe try demo of studio one or traction waveform etc etc. please dont get me wrong. i have a lot of respect for pg. and its amazeing how far they have brought the bb product and the joy they have given the rest of us from all over the world. BUT setting up settings has got so complex, now with the added complexity of useing bb in a host; i just feel lots more clarity/education via vids is needed regarding settings. apologies for not helping getting at the root cause of your problem. now its time for some tea lol. best to you. oldmuso.
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A couple of days ago I purchased a new Kontakt Library. I was trying it out in Reaper and Reaper went belly up. Restarted the PC seeing as how the ASIO got locked up. I then ran the same thing in Cakewalk and Cakewalk did the same. I thought I’ll address this later and went back into Reaper to do something else. Reaper went belly up yet again,
Mmm!! I said I now have an issue on a PC that has been fairly stable for years. What has changed. I did the usual update the day before I purchased the new library. So I uninstalled the update. Reaper ran fine again. I used the new library in Cakewalk and it worked fine.
At this time I assume it was the update (which installed a heap of trash that the kindly MS people just knew I could not live without that I turned off as soon as I found it).
I guess what I’m trying to say it is not always the plugin.
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At this time I assume it was the update (which installed a heap of trash that the kindly MS people just knew I could not live without that I turned off as soon as I found it). Yes, what an absolute pain. They are taking computers from being something we wish to use to be productive and turning them into marketing tools that contain extraneous 'goodies' that many don't want, and never asked for (but got anyway). This is a classic example of Bloat-Ware. I just want a computer. I don't need to be automatically reminded about the weather in Alaska or what country has opened a new bridge to improve traffic. All of that is counter-productive and an unwanted distraction to my workflow. Now, back to the program...
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ALL. this is why my recording daw pc never sees the net. (i havent had a win problem in years on my no net daw.) day after day my recording pc works without problem.
i use a seperate cheap refurb pc for the net that i keep lean and mean. but lo and behold with latest win update i TOO got all the weather junk etc. so i removed it.
please note i was not knocking the bb plug in. BUT i do feel more clarification via vids on settings in more detail etc etc as per my links upthread are needed. us old timers can normally solve problems; BUT people new to daws and recording rigs , if you go on various forums; post about all sorts of settings issues/problems etc. THERE ARE SIMPLY TOO MANY SETTINGS BETWEEN THE VARIOUS RECORDING RIG COMPONENTS. thus my posts in bb wishlist and the plug in forum. i believe more CLARITY and education vids are NEEDED for new users.
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Need to get back on topic guys... I have been able to reinstall BIAB 2020 and the BIAB-VST v2.12.15 along with current Reaper on a Laptop. A fresh install of all. This should match the OP's versions. I ran the conditions specified with the time selection set for 8 bars in Reaper to reproduce crush conditions. If you have viewed TVI's video you know what the crash looks like. I'll let you see the results and come to your own conclusions. https://drive.google.com/file/d/11deVZTfj9FM1gzl9oPhErpt3BWd8KGm3/view?usp=sharingDan
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Dan, thanks for the detail. I don't use Reaper, so I haven't been able to offer anything constructive on this issue. You mentioned: If you have viewed TVI's video you know what the crash looks like. I'll let you see the results and come to your own conclusions. I watched the results, which I presume are your testing results. I noted that it didn't crash. Firstly, a big effort on your part to create the same environment. Thanks! Secondly, can we collectively suspect that the issue is presumably quite local to TVI's settings/configurations etc? Thirdly, I' not familiar with this issue being identified elsewhere, so it may be quite local. Are there any suggestions on how that might be identified?
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Yes, my results show no crash - sorry for being so cryptic. So here is my take. Keep in mind, I have been a vocal advocate for the Reaper/BIAB-VST for a long time, so I may be a bit biased. But yes, likely this is a "local settings/configurations". In this case the 2020 version of the BIAB-VST was functional, and I showed it was still functional, but may not be as robust nor as bullet proof as the newest version. But this is complicated by the PGMusic business model which moves forward with new versions each year which improves and corrects the software, but does not go back to revise prior versions (or only rarely). In addition, troubleshooting of the older version is difficult since many here in the forum (users who support this product) have moved on to the newer version. This is just my take on the situation. Add to this, new users tend to use the software differently so bug discoveries are always possible. Heck, Reaper has issued many many revisions since Oct 2020 when TVI's version of the BIAB-VST was issued. I also know that TVI uses deeper editing features in Reaper than I ever have - take a look at his screen shots. So his workflow is much different. Best suggestion I have for TVI is to update to current version (~ 69USD). If he still has a problem I imaging the full force of the PGMusic development team will jump on it. Or within 30 days he can request his money back.
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Dan., i'll keep it brief as the weekend is soccer pour moi.lol. well done dan! the only next step i might suggest is that you and TVI compare your reaper and biab settings as well as win recording/playback settings . thus identify any discrepencies in settings. i would love to know why it works fine for one but not other. cos maybe we can help people in the future if this occurs again.
out of curiosity were you running reaps with asio and biab with was drivers ?. due to my vision i couldnt make out from your vid reaps settings under the X.
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Dan.,
out of curiosity were you running reaps with asio and biab with was drivers ?. due to my vision i couldnt make out from your vid reaps settings under the X. Ya, the video capture on the laptop was last minute improvised , but (OBS Studio) I thought it would be better. In my video it was only Reaper with BIAB-VST on a single track. On the laptop Reaper was just Audio Out?? I have no music gear associated with the laptop other than Reaper and BIAB and the laptop internal speaker. So no time was spent setting up configurations. Just installed and run for purposes of the test. there was not even any sound since nothing was loaded in the BIAB-VST. That was the crash conditions in the OPs setup. Otherwise, on my DAW computer. Reaper is always MOTU Audio and BIAB in MME.
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Need to get back on topic guys... I have been able to reinstall BIAB 2020 and the BIAB-VST v2.12.15 along with current Reaper on a Laptop. A fresh install of all. This should match the OP's versions. I ran the conditions specified with the time selection set for 8 bars in Reaper to reproduce crush conditions. If you have viewed TVI's video you know what the crash looks like. I'll let you see the results and come to your own conclusions. https://drive.google.com/file/d/11deVZTfj9FM1gzl9oPhErpt3BWd8KGm3/view?usp=sharingDan Okay Dan, but you need to set it up so that the cursor stops when it get's to the end of the timeline. I've got a toggle switch in one of my toolbars for doing that. You can find it in the "Actions". I sure appreciate how you're taking the time to do this Dan.
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Okay Dan, but you need to set it up so that the cursor stops when it get's to the end of the timeline. I've got a toggle switch in one of my toolbars for doing that. You can find it in the "Actions". I am actually pretty slow in Reaper and just kinda do what I know how to do to get done what I do. I have looked into these toolbars with some videos - lots of this is new to me. I am trying to figure out if I can download a selection of buttons. Can you share one of your tool bars? Would I know what to do with it if you did? Or here is an idea, can you send me a Reaper file (.mpp) with the exact actions which cause the crash? I am glad to help you, but afraid I am going to need some help to do that. Dan
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Okay Dan, I will send you my complete Reaper file so you can see how I have mine set up. Of course there will be a lot of my Toolbar actions that won't work because many of them require scripts. However it might give you an idea of what you can do. Incidentally, I just tried this with a fresh Reaper install, and Reaper crashed when I set up a loop with the action to stop at the end of the loop being on. This is with BIAB showing. Dan, are you familiar with the actions in Reaper at all. Use "?" (Shift+/) to open the actions. Then in the filter box, type "Transport: Toggle stop playback at end of loop if repeat is disabled". Then assign a shortcut key to that action. Are you familiar with the "SWS" extension and do you have them installed, although you don't need them for this. 
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TVI. without knowing reaper and biab at the deep computer programmer level; it is difficult for any user like myself to comment further because there are just too many variables. like custom actions as an example. for example i dont know what is happening in reaps code or biab's code when a stop command is issued. maybe there is some added process tripping up things when a custom action/script is involved.
how one user does custom actions/scripts might be very different from another. i'm sure biab coders code for the normal expected reaps operation. whether this is an issue i dont know. only pg can comment on that as they know their own code. there might be things going on internally within reaps and biab that neither dan nor i know about. ie this is moving into areas i dont feel qualified to comment on further cos i just dont know. even if dan runs a test and finds everything works or not it might not explain things without knowing the internal programming of reaps and biab.
its a pity pipeline hasnt been involved in this thread cos he knows actions/scripting etc in great detail. and has posted many interesting procedures on these forums. he is on the reaper forum ; if that helps at all.
vaguely.... (and i might be wrong in this ..ex tech/songwriter getting old lol) but awhile back i seem to remember pipe and Dr Gannon haveing an interesting discussion relating to daw/biab interaction , and DR Gannon explaining why biab could not do certain things which technically made sense to me. whether the issues your haveing are related i dont know.
all i will say in conclusion is IF in normal reaps operation STOP is not causeing a crash BUT as part of a custom action/script it IS AND GIVEN that probably biab is coded to interract with reaps in one expected way only per VST(i) programming rules THEN this might be a clue as to the crash aspect. frankly this might be just one of those situations with no resolution.
sorry i cant help you further TVI ; above my pay grade. lol. the coders who know both reaps and biab internals need to get involved in this imho.
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Tod, Did you see my PM? Best if we go forward off-line. I may need to ask a couple stupid questions and don't want to share my ignorance with my colleagues here.  Lets pick this up in the PM section. Will come back here when we have a conclusion. Dan
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all i will say in conclusion is IF in normal reaps operation STOP is not causeing a crash BUT as part of a custom action/script it IS AND GIVEN that probably biab is coded to interract with reaps in one expected way only per VST(i) programming rules THEN this might be a clue as to the crash aspect. frankly this might be just one of those situations with no resolution. Actually it's not a custom action, but an action that's part of Reaper. However, Dan and I got it worked out, and I want to thank you oldmuso, for trying to help. Tod
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TVI/Dan. well done. so what was the reason for crash ? whats the solution in case other users get the same issue ? perhaps you might communicate with pg support to make an faq in the faq's list that states the problem and the solution in case other pg users come across the same issue when useing reaps.
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We concluded the bug report is confirmed and remains present in the current version of the BIAB-VST. So it is on a list of "known bugs" until is can be resolved. PG Developers have been notified.
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We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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