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Hello Folks,
Here's the latest song from Robert, Scott & I.
Scott plays lead guitar and has a fair bit of space to stretch out within the confines of this one. He also mastered the track.
Robert sings the verses and verse harmonies as well as the chorus.
I play bass and some additional guitar bits here'n'there.
Band In A Box provides the excellent drum track as well as being the writing, structuring and collaboration tool for the song.
Some Mellotron, courtesy of files made from actual Mellotron tapes, was cut'n'pasted into the mix too.

Une Riposte

A simple enough tale of modern times that evolves over three verses.

Lyrics:
Enmity endures
While pain inures
The victim demurs
And avarice procures
While enmity endures
Agent provocateurs
Grubby overtures
Historian abjures
Authority assures
Still enmity endures


When you
Speak out about them
The ranks close
and the hand shake prevails
When you
Speak up once again
The spike of power impales
Stealing breath as you inhale
When you
Speak
out

Hope still endures
Experience inures
Aggressor demurs
And courage procures
While enmity endures
Truth's provocateurs
Payoff overtures
Magistrate abjures
Solidarity assures
Still enmity endures


When you
Speak out about them
The ranks thin and
the hand shake reveals
When you
Speak up once again
Expose the secret deals
And the power it conceals
When you
Speak
out


Enmity endures
Speaking truth inures
Establishment demurs
Hearing truth procures
While enmity endures
Expose provocateurs
Cultural overtures
Minister abjures
Authority assures
Still enmity endures

When you
Speak out about them
The ranks empty
The Secret hand shake fails
When you
Speak up once again
Restore balance to the scales
Justice peeks through the veil
When you
Speak
out
Speak
out
Speak
out
Speak

Since French was used for the title, (though riposte is also part of the English language), I thought I'd provide a translation to match.

L’in incomprétent perdure
Alors que la douleur s’assure
La victime s’insurge
Et l’avarice procure
Alors que l’in in incomprédation perdure
Agent provocateurs
Ouvertures crassantes
Abjures historiennes
L’autorité assure
L’in in incomprédation perdure encore

Lorsque vous
Parlez-en
Les rangs se rapprochent
et le tremblement de la main prévaut
Lorsque vous
Exprimez-vous une fois de plus
La pointe des empales de puissance
Voler du souffle pendant que vous inspirez
Lorsque vous
parler
dehors

L’espoir perdure
L’expérience s’assure
L’agresseur s’en agache
Et le courage procure
Alors que l’in in incomprédation perdure
Les provocateurs de la vérité
Ouvertures de paiement
Abjures de magistrat
La solidarité assure
L’in in incomprédation perdure encore

Lorsque vous
Parlez-en
Les rangs minces et
le tremblement de la main révèle
Lorsque vous
Exprimez-vous une fois de plus
Exposer les transactions secrètes
Et le pouvoir qu’il cache
Lorsque vous
parler
dehors

L’in incomprétent perdure
Dire la vérité s’assure
L’établissement s’en a-t-il
Entendre la vérité procure
Alors que l’in in incomprédation perdure
Exposer les provocateurs
Ouvertures culturelles
Le ministre abjures
L’autorité assure
L’in in incomprédation perdure encore

Lorsque vous
Parlez-en
Les rangs vides
Le shake de main secret échoue
Lorsque vous
Exprimez-vous une fois de plus
Rétablir l’équilibre aux balances
La justice jette un coup d’œil à travers le voile
Lorsque vous
parler
dehors
parler
dehors
parler
dehors
parler

Vijandschap houdt stand Terwijl pijn Het slachtoffer demurs En hebzucht koopt Terwijl vijandschap blijft bestaan Agent provocateurs Groezelige ouvertures Historicus abjures Autoriteit verzekert Nog steeds vijandschap blijft bestaan

Wanneer u Spreek over hen De rangen sluiten en de handschudden overheerst Wanneer u Spreek nog eens. De piek van machtsimpales Adem stelen terwijl je inademt Wanneer u spreken buiten

Hoop blijft bestaan Ervaring met verzekeren Agressor demurs En moed verwerft Terwijl vijandschap blijft bestaan De provocateurs van de waarheid Payoff ouvertures Magistraat abjures Solidariteit verzekert Nog steeds vijandschap blijft bestaan

Wanneer u Spreek over hen De rangen dun en de hand schudden onthult Wanneer u Spreek nog eens. Leg de geheime deals bloot En de kracht die het verbergt. Wanneer u spreken buiten

Vijandschap houdt stand Sprekende waarheid verzekert Vestiging demurs Het horen van waarheid verkrijgt Terwijl vijandschap blijft bestaan Provocateurs blootstellen Culturele ouvertures Minister abjures Autoriteit verzekert Nog steeds vijandschap blijft bestaan

Wanneer u Spreek over hen De rangen leeg De Geheime handschudden faalt Wanneer u Spreek nog eens. Balans herstellen naar de weegschaal Justitie gluurt door de sluier Wanneer u spreken buiten spreken buiten spreken buiten spreken


This track took some time to come to light as I continued to annoy Scott. The poor chap would produce a master and the clarity of that would allow me to hear a click, breath, grunt, string scrape etc. that I hadn't previously and I'd ask for a revision after I'd addressed the perceived problem. I'm an annoying old man, I know.
Your comments, suggestions and recommendations are welcome and may well be attempted.

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This is a great collaboration. My only problem was hearing the lyrics. IHMO I believe they should be more up front. This is just my opinion and others may or may not agree.


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Hi Ray, Scott and Robbert,

I heard your wonderful song. At first I would describe it as some kind of epos about getting an answer to what you are not allowed to say. or something like that. But the word 'epos' is not the proper word. Robert can give me a hand on a synonym I bet.
At first something technically about the mix. I don't hear cracs, hisses or whatever Ray hears / heard, but what Mario said was what I thought. The words cannot be heard well enough, while they are very much worth listening to. So put op their volume, I would say.

I really liked the song, even though it is haunting in a way. Well, but French like that...
As Dutch people.

The leadguitar worked out wonderful in this song. It supported the vocals very well. At least, that is what I think.
So, no wonder I enjoyed it. Listened severall times to it, but with the lyrics at hand and (lot of times) Google translate (not for that French language).

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Well, Mr Cochrane you did not mention your vocals in the post but they work very well weaving in/out with Robert. And your bass and guitar performances provide the glue for a great mix.
Scott's guitar is, as always, excellent and those wahs are extra cool.

Endures, inures, demurs, procures, endures, provocateurs, overtures, abjures, assures and endures. Great! Cool the way you used those rhymes for three different statements in the verses.

We think the vocals fit well in the mix. The entire production has a very effective layered feel and all the vocals have a good space in that.

Kudos to Scott re the mix/mastering.

It all yields an epic soundstage!

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Man, you guys sure have fun --audibly apparent. This is quite an outstanding collab. At first I agreed with Mario in that the vocal could be more up front, but as the song progressed the vocal sounded mysterious and even hypnotic, which seemed perfect for the song. So well done, Robert. The lyrics are really cool:
"When you
Speak out about them
The ranks close
and the hand shake prevails
When you
Speak up once again
The spike of power impales
Stealing breath as you inhale
When you
Speak
out"
Dang, that's good. Scott, your guitar playing is as always very engaging. I love your taste for the song. Ray, what can I say? You are that favorite mentor I've never actually met, but your influence is HUGE.


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Ray, Scott, Robert, Spirit Level!!

Awesome Music. Y'all have certainly "found your sound"!!! The band has evolved to be a truly cohesive unit.

An excellent Dramatic Rock write. Robert at his best!

Awesome vocal. Easy to think (at first) that it needs to "come up in the mix", but it doesn't. It sits perfectly. Careful listening allows every word to come through. Mixed perfectly for the style.

In fact, the whole mix is REALLY well done. The balance is superb. Drums sound great. Ray's bass is punchy and clear and perfectly Bass-y. Scott's guitar shines! Everything about this WORKS!!

Great job. Y'all are on fire! (on my 4th listen! - that says it all...)

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Very trippy. Cool, swirling sounds. Great mix. Everyone hits their marks, as is par for the course with you guys. A 1984 claustrophobic feel to it, which I think the message conveys, if I am hearing it correctly. Good use of BIAB too. Good job!


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Originally Posted By: MarioD
This is a great collaboration. My only problem was hearing the lyrics. IHMO I believe they should be more up front. This is just my opinion and others may or may not agree.

Thanks Mario,
my only problem was hearing my voice.
The vocal level is well up on where it would be by my preferences but , even so, a vocal sitting on top of this mix would seem weird to me.

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Originally Posted By: Birchwood
Hi Ray, Scott and Robbert,
I heard your wonderful song. At first I would describe it as some kind of epos about getting an answer to what you are not allowed to say. or something like that. But the word 'epos' is not the proper word. Robert can give me a hand on a synonym I bet.
At first something technically about the mix. I don't hear cracs, hisses or whatever Ray hears / heard, but what Mario said was what I thought. The words cannot be heard well enough, while they are very much worth listening to. So put op their volume, I would say.
I really liked the song, even though it is haunting in a way. Well, but French like that...
As Dutch people.
The leadguitar worked out wonderful in this song. It supported the vocals very well. At least, that is what I think.
So, no wonder I enjoyed it. Listened severall times to it, but with the lyrics at hand and (lot of times) Google translate (not for that French language).
Hans

Hans,
thanks.
Connected epic poems on an heroic theme - well stanzas describing a modern malaise and how it is being dealt with perhaps.
Yes, Scott had ample opportunity to stretch his wings and he did so wonderfully. The lead links sections and provides fabulous melodic phrases.
I dropped in a little of the Dutch translation for you.

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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
Well, Mr Cochrane you did not mention your vocals in the post but they work very well weaving in/out with Robert. And your bass and guitar performances provide the glue for a great mix.
Scott's guitar is, as always, excellent and those wahs are extra cool.
Endures, inures, demurs, procures, endures, provocateurs, overtures, abjures, assures and endures. Great! Cool the way you used those rhymes for three different statements in the verses.
We think the vocals fit well in the mix. The entire production has a very effective layered feel and all the vocals have a good space in that.
Kudos to Scott re the mix/mastering.
It all yields an epic soundstage!
J&B

Thank you J&B,
My parts are just that - parts of the whole.
Scott's axe wielding harmed no trees but certainly built a landscape in the song.
Robert's clear voice really suits the declamatory verses.
Thank you very much for your kind words.


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Originally Posted By: BabuMusic
Man, you guys sure have fun --audibly apparent. This is quite an outstanding collab. At first I agreed with Mario in that the vocal could be more up front, but as the song progressed the vocal sounded mysterious and even hypnotic, which seemed perfect for the song. So well done, Robert. The lyrics are really cool:
Dang, that's good. Scott, your guitar playing is as always very engaging. I love your taste for the song. Ray, what can I say? You are that favorite mentor I've never actually met, but your influence is HUGE.

Hello Marty & thanks.
This was a pretty easy process of recording except when I repeatedly stalled things by hearing stuff that no one else seemed to notice and then spent time "fixing".
I'm glad you liked the lyrics, the verses are set up, through the repetition, to have a drone like effect.
Thanks again.


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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Ray, Scott, Robert, Spirit Level!!
Awesome Music. Y'all have certainly "found your sound"!!! The band has evolved to be a truly cohesive unit.
An excellent Dramatic Rock write. Robert at his best!
Awesome vocal. Easy to think (at first) that it needs to "come up in the mix", but it doesn't. It sits perfectly. Careful listening allows every word to come through. Mixed perfectly for the style.
In fact, the whole mix is REALLY well done. The balance is superb. Drums sound great. Ray's bass is punchy and clear and perfectly Bass-y. Scott's guitar shines! Everything about this WORKS!!
Great job. Y'all are on fire! (on my 4th listen! - that says it all...)
fj

FJ,
Thank you. I'm sure I speak for Scott & Robert in saying ta muchly for the glowing review.


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Originally Posted By: jptjptjpt
Very trippy. Cool, swirling sounds. Great mix. Everyone hits their marks, as is par for the course with you guys. A 1984 claustrophobic feel to it, which I think the message conveys, if I am hearing it correctly. Good use of BIAB too. Good job!

jptX3,
You read it well but the dystopia is real and current.
Yes BIAB was a crucial writing tool and the drum track glues everything really well.
Scott & Robert really hit their straps, don't they?
Thanks.

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Thanks everyone for the awesome comments. This was a very cool project to work on. To me it felt like multiple stories happening at the same time. Overtime they all came together and developed into this cool song. Ray worked very hard and did an excellent job on the mix. I think Robert and Ray both did an excellent job on the vocals. So glad you liked the guitar parts. Your comments are very much appreciated


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Hi Rayc,

From the intro to the end, the beautiful guitar playing commands attention. The voice singing the lyrics has an intonation that blends in perfectly with the musical arrangement. The bass playing is also interesting. On the other hand, well-written lyrics require proofreading to fully understand the theme and meaning of the words that we wanted to breathe into them. It's a excellent team effort. Well done.

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Hi SL!
Congrats on fantastic collaboration! A bit on the dark side, but I believe that was the message intended. Surreal and unexpected music. Cool Ray & Robert vocal play. I liked wah opening and solo. Arrangement is complex, but listens well with help of up & up progression. Excellent teamwork! Thank you for sharing.

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Spirit Level

Really enjoyed the interplay between band members.

Everyone played their part and the song was complex but engaging.

I liked it.

Peter

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Vraiment apprécié l'interaction entre les membres du groupe.

Tout le monde a joué son rôle et la chanson était complexe mais engageante.

Je l'ai aimé.

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thanks.
Connected epic poems on an heroic theme - well stanzas describing a modern malaise and how it is being dealt with perhaps.
Yes, Scott had ample opportunity to stretch his wings and he did so wonderfully. The lead links sections and provides fabulous melodic phrases.
I dropped in a little of the Dutch translation for you. [/quote]

Hi Ray, where is that translation? I searched in every post. I need it!!

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Originally Posted By: Birchwood


Hi Ray, where is that translation? I searched in every post. I need it!!

Hans


It's geographically flipped...under the French... though not a new Rampjaar.


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Are you sure? Not a new Rampjaar? What about corona and Delta?
In Une riposte it was all in...


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  • Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
  • Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
  • Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
  • Playable RealTracks Set 4
  • RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
  • SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
  • 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
  • Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
  • Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
  • RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

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