Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
eliminating the 3 chorus's would interrupt and gut the core BIAB program.

Hmmm, I don't think anyone suggested eliminating anything. Just change default behavior to the way the majority of users use the software!

And this is especially important for attracting new users; they are not interested in the quaint history of the wart or our tried and true work-arounds! They expect something modern.

And surely every time I start a new song and change choruses to 1 I have not gutted the core BIAB program?


"Please Change Default From Three Choruses to One" JohnJohnJohn

Hmmm, You did.

Changing the default from three chorus's to one 'eliminates' three as the default chorus. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, so does the words remove, get rid of, abolish, put an end to, do away with and banish.

As users, we have no real idea how a majority of users use the program. It may be folks that utilize it for practice and every song they create they change the chorus to 40. It may be music teachers that create practice tracks for students and every song track they create they change the chorus to 10 repeats. It may be users that create accompaniment tracks and use the default of three on every track they create and get the built in benefit of leaving repeats, coda's, 1st/2nd endings, and applying Bar Settings to individual chorus's all of which people that change the default to one, purposely disable (or eliminate, remove, get rid of, abolish, put an end to, do away with and banish.)

Most of the suite of programming tools of BIAB are based on the design of multiple chorus's. A partial list is the Notation view, Chord Sheet, Audio Editor View, Audio Chord Wizard, Lead Sheet and Fake Sheet. Other Tools are Bar Settings, Song Settings, and the Chord Solo tool. In the sub-menu of the Song Form Tool, Medley Maker and Repeats are based on multiple chorus's. In the Tracks Menu, the Melodist and Soloist features are based on multiple chorus's.

It's unclear to me how disabling so many options and features by using the default of one is making the BIAB program more appealing to new users. Nothing I listed is a work-around. Every item listed is a feature.

So, every time you start a new song and change choruses to 1, yes, you have gutted the core BIAB program. The fact is, one is the only number that has this disabling effect across the entire program. It is singular and unique because every other choice is a multiple and three is the minimum and optimal number to provide a middle chorus. Of course the gutting of the program is not yet permanent like changing the default to one would be without PG Music implementing major code programming changes. Simply restarting the program restores all of the disabled features that using one causes.

I agree that custom user defaults should be made an option but I don't think to change, eliminate, remove, get rid of, abolish, put an end to, do away with or banish the default of three is the best recommendation for the welfare and growth of BIAB.

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