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Eddie, the basic solution to your dilemma is to generate MIDI drums to begin with
Then you can use RBs 'Split drum tracks' feature and get each drum on their own track. You have NO idea how angry it makes me when a guy from that state up north points out something that I am actually embarrassed to NOT have thought of myself. I mean, DUH, I want MIDI drums so I an assign outside drum sounds so maybe (again, duh) START with MIDI drums. Thanks for pointing that obvious thing out. (duh)
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Eddie, Are you uploading a stereo wave file? The drum track I was trying to select was almost 4 minutes.
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Aha!! So it IS possible!! Between that and rharv pointing out that I just need to start with MIDI drums that should do it!
Thank you all!
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Did you try the RealDrumChart as it will give the same drum style ? Biab did have an option File > Import > Import Stems from Audio File but you needed to have Spleeter installed, I can't see that function anymore, maybe it was too confusing for users or they are going to make it self-contained ?? https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=605070
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And again let me dig my grouchy old man heels in and again say that I am not installing Spleeter, Schweeter, Splatter, Neener, Nanner or anything else. I have PG Music BIAB/RB which costs a lot of money (to me) and I am tired of having to chain 17 other programs to it in order to make it do things it should already do. For a guy who just likes to play with toys I don't want a musical Erector Set (How's THAT for dating myself?) just to make a song. This "load that then route this and splice from the VST and then file, spin, collate and dickle" is a science project I do not care to take on. The drums in Real Band are, and have always been, really limp and have no spirit, but I am also not skilled enough, and I can't stress this enough, nor do I want to, sit and tap hi hats and drum fills in on a MIDI controller or drag little tick marks around a grid. There isn't enough quantizing in the world to pull what I would assemble into time.
I just want to be able to say "Take that weak snare out and use this one", and rharv seems to have come up with the simplest and most logical solution. Start with MIDI drums. Then I can put in John Bonham's kick and Phil Collins snare and Omar Hakim's incredible hit hat work. Somewhere I have the Steven Slate drums plugin and the amount of sound in there alone will keep me tweaking the drum sounds for weeks.
Back to topic, how about some more recent and relevant guitar and piano players in the Real Tracks?
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Did you try the RealDrumCharts ?????  
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Back to topic, how about some more recent and relevant guitar and piano players in the Real Tracks?
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Although some excellent advice from pipeline !!.
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Important tread! More contemporary styles needed!
What you get when searching for Reggae, House, Techno, Future Garage, Chillstep, Trance (and many other newer genres of music) is a joke and not useful in any way...
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Those styles in Biab seem to be mainly using Loops.
If it's all electronic they can be made up in UserTracks.
There's a lot of free loops that can be downloaded to create a UserTrack but I wouldn't know where to start.
I can put midi phrases into RapidComposer and it will refit them to any chord progression to create a UserTrack.
I can make some up but you will have to give some examples of what you want, if you can point me to some examples or free midi files/Loops I can give it a go.
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Interesting !! Never knew That Thanks Pipeline !
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I reread this whole thread again last night. There are people here who have very good understand of what they would need to make BIAB truly useful to them. Those changes are not likely to happen very soon or at any time for that matter. Some are not even possible.
I see the the Word "Brent Mason" come up many times. Brent is obviously a skilled country guitar player. But even having said that I don't think we are getting his "A game". To use Brent to the extent he is used in BAIB for many different style of music is simply not logical. Everything turns into a Brent Mason country sound. He over plays many things for no good reason. I like country and the last couple of songs I have posted have been in that style. I do not want him playing on a blues tune because to tell the truth he just does not sound like a blues player. The fact that he is a Grammy award winning musician is less meaningful to me than perhaps some people. Are you really going to promote a song to the public with " featuring Brent Mason on guitar"?
I don't use BIAB to make money or even use music to make money for that matter. It is a fun distraction that has been a lot more useful during the pandemic due to the isolation from all my musical friends. I have never been serious about "home recording" and never will be.
I certainly would be inclined to buy P G Music's latest stuff every year if there were new musicians playing new stuff in whatever genre and if they were able to fix a bunch of limitations just about everyone complains about. I also have no intention of upgrading every year based on the current offerings.
I only upgrade every two or three years as it set now.
I just don't like their DAW, I don't like Pro Tools, and I rarely use Reaper but I own all three and a couple more. I have gone to Studio One from Sonar which I used for a long time and liked as well as anything.
Like Eddie I found session drummer which came in Sonar easy to deal with. Once a midi drum track is developed there are endless sounds that can be applied. Many live drummers have midi triggers on there live drum kits both in a recording environment and live.
There is a huge number of reasons why people buy and use BIAB and a extremely wide variation in in skill level in it's use.
I will continue to use BIAB for what I can get out of it. In the total scheme of things the price is not a material amount of money.
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I think the general consensus is we don't want to see any 2022 biab new feature video promoting any new Brent Mason Realtracks (others included) else its going to be a huge turn off to do the upgrade.
What I would like PGMusic to do is totally surprise us, give us new musician realtracks in different genre that will take us out of our comfort zone and a nice surprise as well.
Just make it a nice 2022 upgrade treat.
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frankly i would like the 2022 version of biab/rb to address some of my wishlist needs.
if that doesnt happen then i will be less inclined to upgrade.
maybe i'll get the 80 buk flash drive upgrade.
i think most of us that have used daw software for any length of time could pretty much use any daw.
in my case ive used the combo of biab/rb/reaps on tons of songs. ...i simply refuse to purchase any product useing hardware dongles. i dont want a nest of them.
i just wish the capabilities we have today i had when i started doing songs seriously as a teenager doing originals.
it was a struggle cos my family and i couldnt afford studio time in pro studios.
which is why i'm thankfull today that we have lots of inexpensive tools to create songs.
for me its always been about the enjoyment of the creation process....ive never understood the desire by some people to be big frankly; as it has its negatives as ive found out from people over the years that were
seriously involved in the music biz day to day.
yeah the buks is good and the toys and cars and houses etc..
but its naieve to assume there arent downsides....like lack of privacy being just one.
so i determined just to "potter on" makeing songs that make me happy...and IF some other people find they like them...well thats a nice bonus.
i'm a happy lad right now that has a lot to be thankfull for includeing surviving major surgery (fit as a fiddle now..) and life with a wonderfull wife...
frankly i'm just glad to be around on this crazy planet.
i'll shut up now...lmao.
ps...btw i dont think...much as i admire the mans "chops" ive ever used a Brent RT on a song. but to be fair i'm very demanding both of myself and the RT's.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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i just wish the capabilities we have today i had when i started doing songs seriously as a teenager doing originals.
it was a struggle cos my family and i couldnt afford studio time in pro studios.
which is why i'm thankfull today that we have lots of inexpensive tools to create songs.
My thoughts exactly, If only !!!
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I could be totally wrong but I am under the impression that for all kinds of Techno or Hip Hop genres and subgenres people are using mostly groove boxes and/or loops, not a Chord centric application like BIAB european superstore Thomann lists 69 products so obviously there is a huge market for them: https://www.thomann.de/be/search_dir.html?sw=groove+box&smcs=32a97b_7258
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My main "thing" is this.
Remember the original iPhone? And how with every new model came a campaign and lines outside stores and all that insanity? (Do you HAVE to have the new phone the first day???) How often did people get newmodels and realize there was little discernable difference from the one before? They'd make claims about the new OS being faster and all of that, but how many of us knew if that was true or not? That's like going to a comedy club. Your brain is set to laugh. You are going to a place that has funny people telling funny jokes and you KNOW it is going to be funny. And then the comedian sucks, but your brain has you convinced that the comedian MUST be funny, so you laugh. That was many new iPhones.
There was a commercial once spoofing the newest bestest greatest new iPhone release. Once clip showed a tall guy with curly hair saying, with a great amount of deliberate drama in his voice. "Get this. The headphone jack is going to be on the BOTTOM!" And then made the "Brain just exploded gesture".
So when 2022 comes out, don't just move the headphone jack to the bottom. Read the wish lists and try to fulfill some of those wishes.
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