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Ha ha! Yeah I would take that insult too! No problem! 
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A guy I worked with one day made a comment intended to be insulting..... knowing I was a musician and a songwriter.... The song Grandma got run over by a Reindeer came on the radio and he says in a laughing manner.... "That sounds like something you would have written. " It was obvious he intended it as an insult. I replied.... yep, I wish I HAD written that because I wouldn't be working here, I'd be rich. He shut up....
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A guy I worked with one day made a comment intended to be insulting..... knowing I was a musician and a songwriter.... The song Grandma got run over by a Reindeer came on the radio and he says in a laughing manner.... "That sounds like something you would have written. " It was obvious he intended it as an insult. I replied.... yep, I wish I HAD written that because I wouldn't be working here, I'd be rich. He shut up....
Oh hell yes! As Liberace said, "I cry all the way to the bank!"
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I doubt anyone would get very far claiming infringement of a real track used in one of their original compositions if someone else were to come along and get that same sound on one of their own recordings. We buy and use Band in a Box undertanding that many many composers are using the same program and same real tracks. However, with the right judge or right lawyer, stranger things have happened. If this is going to break out in profitable litigation, we would expect it to come from the beat loops generation doing hip hop, rap, or any of the indistinguishable clones by artist such as Taylor Swift or Justin Beiber, you know, three note melodies. Holy cow! It's almost that time of year, again. https://youtu.be/MgIwLeASnkw
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Equal opportunity says I should post this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EECXvtrMrY
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I just came upon this thread because the music producer I am working with asked me about this issue. IMO the entire business model of PG Music is based on an exchange of dollars (mine) for their sotware which makes use of recordings of other musicians. The implication in everything I have ever seen is that this is acceptable to do.
HOWEVER, when I think about copywright law it is concerning. I think PG Music is walking a dangerous line. And so far it hasn't caused a problem. But IF/WHEN someone does right a big hit I could definitely see this being an issue.
My hope is that when these recording sessions are done they musicians are signing a release that it is a work for hire and they have no future rights to the tracks. That's the only way that I could see this being legal. If they don't then I think BIAB should be clearly marketed as ONLY for amateur and hobby purposes.
I also think it's very telling that PG Music is Canada based. If they were US based this would have probably already became an issue by now.
And FYI it doesn't matter if you have a big hit or not. What matters is how pissed off the artist who's tracks you "stole" cares. Sometimes it's not about the money, it's about the fact they aren't getting credit. I've gotta believe that this whole thing is nonsense though, because how likely is it going to be that they recognized there exact playing in the context of new music being created from their orgiginal playing?
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I got my answer from Ember at PG Music. She very clearly stated that there are no copywright issues with making your own tracks.
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From
Technical Support FAQ:
Band-in-a-Box®
"12. Who owns the songs that I create with Band-in-a-Box®? Are the songs copyrighted?
The arrangements made by Band-in-a-Box® are yours, and your songs may be used freely as long as they don't infringe upon the intellectual property rights of others."
Your originally stated opinion concurs with the statements from PG Music.
As to your:
"I also think it's very telling that PG Music is Canada based. If they were US based this would have probably already became an issue by now."
Get over yourself. Canada isn't tax haven come copyright black hole. PG Music states, clearly, that what you make is your own unless you're using someone else's property. The company also asks that the individual artists recorded for ReaTrack not be named.
HOWEVER, when you think about copyright law are you doing it with reference to the contracts, to the advice of a legal professional or are you chewing your cud?
Your producer is looking for assurance. Show him the statement from FAQs and be done with it.
Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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I have had an SR copyright denied,because they wanted a release from every musician performing on the tracks. It doesn't matter what PG Music says, it's all down to the bureaucrat that is reviewing the application.
Regards,
Bob I know this is an old post but I had to reply to this. It is NOT up to the bureaucrat. You're giving up all your power. It is up to YOU and how you choose to interpret the question. IMO it is silly to consider BIAB a musiciian. It is a tool, not a musician. So you just list yourself as the musician for the BIAB parts.
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Get over yourself.
HOWEVER, when you think about copyright law are you doing it with reference to the contracts, to the advice of a legal professional or are you chewing your cud? My post is not deserving of your rudeness.
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