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Fixing led zeppelin with autotune #669110 08/19/21 07:18 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669112 08/19/21 07:41 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,732 St. Louis, MO. USA sslechta Veteran
sslechta Veteran Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,732 St. Louis, MO. USA	Surprised all the titling didn't say Melodyne instead of Autotune..... Interesting to listen to, thanks! Steve BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics. PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669167 08/19/21 03:59 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,243 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,243 Cooran Queensland Australia	Adam is a voice of reason. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669199 08/20/21 04:39 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,833 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,833 Middlesex, NC	That's not .... uhhhh right You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune Guitarhacker #669209 08/20/21 05:28 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,589 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker That's not .... uhhhh right Got that right! It's called ruining the rock classics. Back in my day the only time we started panic buying was when the bartender shouted "last call"! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669213 08/20/21 06:14 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689 Mark Hayes Expert
Mark Hayes Expert Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689	Here's a different idea for using autotune to improve old recordings. Instead of taking a sad song and making it better, make it even worse. If some notes are flat, make them a little flatter. Listen to that a few times until it sounds normal. Now listen to the original – voila, sounds great!

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669284 08/20/21 03:14 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 2,005 Sillie Con Valley, California Mike Halloran Veteran
Mike Halloran Veteran Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 2,005 Sillie Con Valley, California	Someone spent a lot of time accomplishing nothing. BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669290 08/20/21 03:44 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,243 Cooran Queensland Australia	Here, on a forum for a product that replaces, enhances, stretches and pitch shifts the work of musicians we find a thread that addresses the enhancing, stretching, shifting of the work of musicians that attracts the ire of folk who use the former but abhor the latter. Some responses suggest the poster didn't get beyond the video description. Confusion will be my epitaph as I crawl a cracked and broken path, if we make it we can all sit back and laugh, but I fear, tomorrow, I'll be crying. The video quite simply and effectively exposed how the program is, mostly, unsuited to the purpose of trying to make real vocals perfect, (whilst expanding on the notion of perfect indirectly), as it & the user ignore certain conventions and natural habits/inflections of performers. Mr. Neely does this with humour, as demonstrated in his sarcastic intro. Adam opts for the use of the software as an audible effect and demonstrates why/how. Those of us who overdub, edit, compile and mix are committing a significant faux pas in the view of those adherents of Direct To Disc recording, (no, not direct to HDD!). Me? I'm a grumpy 64 year old white Anglo Saxon male who uses software to approximate correct pitch when left with my own voice as the tool for the moment. I always hope for a collaborator to do the real thing. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669295 08/20/21 04:08 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689 Mark Hayes Expert
Mark Hayes Expert Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689	I actually made an adjusted version of the first few seconds of the Beatles' "Don't Bother Me", which has an incredibly flat note sung by George Harrison. I fixed it, just to hear what it would sound like with him perfectly on pitch. Sounded pretty good. Then I deleted the project, consigning this obscenity to the flames of history. But this was OK. I waited 50+ years to hear that, as a loyal fan I earned the right to have that experience just once in my lifetime.

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune Mark Hayes #669298 08/20/21 04:36 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,243 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes I actually made an adjusted version of the first few seconds of the Beatles' "Don't Bother Me", which has an incredibly flat note sung by George Harrison. I fixed it, just to hear what it would sound like with him perfectly on pitch. Sounded pretty good. Then I deleted the project, consigning this obscenity to the flames of history. But this was OK. I waited 50+ years to hear that, as a loyal fan I earned the right to have that experience just once in my lifetime. Well done. He's, in various degrees, flat throughout but repetition validates doesn't it? I can't hear the problem these days. AND you've not used that moment to self promote or to castigate either. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669465 08/21/21 10:00 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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lambada Expert L Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,590 Hong Kong	This has me pondering whether to stop using the auto-tuning/compression/de-esing etc built in to my Voicelive 3 Extreme during live shows. Maybe it kills the feel/uniqueness? But will I sound like sh*$ without it? Academic at the moment I guess! Windows 10 Home 20H2 Build 19042.487 BIAB 2021 (Build 818) Intel(R) Core(TM), i3-4160, CPU @3.60 GHz RAM 16 GB, 64 Bit X64-based processor Zoom UAC-2 (USB 3 interface-built in midi) VoiceLive 3 Extreme, Sputnik Valve Condenser Mic

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune lambada #669583 08/22/21 12:22 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 2,005 Sillie Con Valley, California Mike Halloran Veteran
Mike Halloran Veteran Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 2,005 Sillie Con Valley, California	Originally Posted By: lambada This has me pondering whether to stop using the auto-tuning/compression/de-esing etc built in to my Voicelive 3 Extreme during live shows. Maybe it kills the feel/uniqueness? But will I sound like sh*$ without it? Academic at the moment I guess! You are the only one who can answer this when it's yourself. BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune Mike Halloran #669683 08/23/21 06:03 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,833 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: Mike Halloran Someone spent a lot of time accomplishing nothing. I was thinking this very thing. I didn't hear much if any difference in the before and after versions. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #669838 08/24/21 05:06 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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lambada Expert L Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,590 Hong Kong	That's the problem Mike. I can't really hear any difference except in the extreme ones. Windows 10 Home 20H2 Build 19042.487 BIAB 2021 (Build 818) Intel(R) Core(TM), i3-4160, CPU @3.60 GHz RAM 16 GB, 64 Bit X64-based processor Zoom UAC-2 (USB 3 interface-built in midi) VoiceLive 3 Extreme, Sputnik Valve Condenser Mic

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #670268 08/27/21 02:20 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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bloc-head Expert Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,413 Southeast USA	Melodyne is an amazing tool, that can do much good or harm, depending on how it's used or musused... I still don't know much about Autotune... I must check it out. Bandcamp Win-11; BiaB-2026 Audiophile (latest version) Cakewalk Sonar; Melodyne-5; Scaler 3; NI Komplete: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20

Re: Fixing fled zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #670887 08/31/21 12:55 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Simon - PG Music Veteran Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,766 Victoria, BC	I agree with Adam that this is more of a "feel" kinda thing. I think I noticed the "uncanny valley" the most with Bill Withers, but what I noticed the most is that the "Original" audio is a couple db louder than the Melodyne audio - this isn't a fair comparison because our brains do a funny thing with amplitude where "louder = better". I work here

Re: Fixing led zeppelin with autotune pghboemike #670917 08/31/21 03:38 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,487 North Carolina	Jimmy Page's solo on Stairway to Heaven is totally sloppy. It will be MUCH better when I remix it with a BIAB Real Track that is in tune. Next, I am moving on to Hendrix. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/david-snyder-gigs4 https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Fixing led zeppelin with autotune David Snyder #670925 08/31/21 05:51 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Originally Posted By: David Snyder Jimmy Page's solo on Stairway to Heaven is totally sloppy. It will be MUCH better when I remix it with a BIAB Real Track that is in tune. Next, I am moving on to Hendrix. It is probably wise to lock your door after those comments...lol Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

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