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Hey guys,
I have been using Melodyne for several years but never really tried Auto-Tune. I got a monthly package which is pretty pricy, about $25 dollars. There are 16 different plug-ins.
I have just begun to experiment with it. It is much different than I really expected.
I sang a simple four-bar set of vocal notes which I checked with Melodyne. The first two were flat so I fixed that in Melodyne.
The sounds that Auto-Tune had to deal with were on pitch.
The amount of control that exists is amazing. I am not talking about producing strange sounds but enhancing a vocal.
Are there others here that use Auto-Tune?
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Yes, it's a treat to work with. A bit soul destroying though when you can see you're out of tune but can't hear it! This video is reassuring however!  https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=669110#Post669110
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I am finding there is a lot more to Auto-Tune than pitch correction. Pitch correction across a complete track sounds pretty un-useable to me.
When I first used Melodyne I saw the same issue. I then learned to only correct notes that sounded bad enough to correct.
I am finding it necessary to play the vocal melody on the piano and learn that. Then I can go back and start to bend the notes around. Having my lead guitar player play the vocal line in rehearsal helps also.
I can sing on pitch if I have a reference but I could not sing F# off the top of my head if my life depended on it...lol
Having every note on pitch sucks.
Anyway, the whole professional set of 16 different plugins can be downloaded for a free trial.
I hear a lot of negative feedback about Auto-Tune. It reminds me of conversations with tube guitar amp purest. They put a transistor effects box between their guitar and the tube amp I just custom-built for them.
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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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When I first used Melodyne I saw the same issue. I then learned to only correct notes that sounded bad enough to correct.
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Billy That is the secret to using pitch correction software. I usually take the first take of my instrumental leads and correct a couple of missed notes. I have found playing/singing the same lines over and over losses a lot of emotion and drive. YMMV
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You probably know I add instrumental jazz arrangements to songs. My two favorite instruments for this are flugelhorn and soprano sax, instruments notorious for being difficult to play in tune. Plus, at my age my skills aren’t quite what they were.
Autotune does come in handy. I use it very sparingly, both for pitch and timing. The one place on which I concentrate most is endings of phrases. In particular, if the last note has a pitch that’s ‘off’, it makes the start of the next phase sound wrong.
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Yep, the trick is in how you use it.
It can indeed be used in such a way it is generally undetectable, and it can be overdone.
I usually try to delay the tuning a bit, so, like Matt, the note ends in tune but the initial inflection is untouched unless necessary.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Never used any of this on a vocal. I do like it for getting a good segue from RT to vocal as Matt alluded to and for occasionally changing a bass note. But I do understand its place in the vocal production arsenal. Just glad the producers of great bent note country and jazz singers never had access to it Bud
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There is a plug called AVOX DUO that is pretty useful. Another is called AVOX CHOIR that I think I may be able to use. I am not sure yet. It is not obvious at first glance how to ues this stuff. And there are the other ten or so plugins I have not really looked at enough to know just what they do.
None of the pitch correction type software is very useful for types of music where a lot of bent notes are going on. Just my opinion.
In general, if we are doing a vocal at home, I think it is better to punch it in than correct it with software.
It does have some enhanced vibrato control that could be useful also some throat changeability which is worth exploring.
There is a whole other world of music that never gets posted here because most of us are too old to like it. It is quite possible some of this Melodyne/Auto-Tune type software has other uses.
Fun toys to play with.
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"It is quite possible some of this Melodyne/Auto-Tune type software has other uses."
Do Melodyne and AutoTune let you take an arbitrary audio recording and transform it into MIDI?
Logic's flex pitch will do this, and I also use the polyphonic audio-to-MIDI product "MIDI Guitar". But I don't correct vocal tracks or physical instruments; I create new MIDI tracks from recordings of animals and things, to be set to virtual instruments. Wondering what the best software for that kind of extracurricular activity is.
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Do Melodyne and AutoTune let you take an arbitrary audio recording and transform it into MIDI?
............... Melodyne does. I don't know about AutoTune.
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Oh, good! I see that application is part of my Izotope subscription, I shall have to check it out. (I like to overload music recognition systems with complicated noise and see what they hallucinate.)
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Plus, at my age my skills aren’t quite what they were. We're still talking about music, right?
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Oh, good! I see that application is part of my Izotope subscription, I shall have to check it out. (I like to overload music recognition systems with complicated noise and see what they hallucinate.) I believe your Izotope subscription contains the Melodyne Essential and that is the only Melodyne version that does not do Audio to MIDI. You would need to purchase at least the next version, the Melodyne Assistant, to accomplish audio to MIDI.
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I believe your Izotope subscription contains the Melodyne Essential and that is the only Melodyne version that does not do Audio to MIDI. You would need to purchase at least the next version, the Melodyne Assistant, to accomplish audio to MIDI. Well, that explains why I'm sitting in front of Melodyne, unable to find it. Good thing I checked here! It looks like I would need to even go higher to get the "DNA" for polyphonic function.
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Oh, good! I see that application is part of my Izotope subscription, I shall have to check it out. (I like to overload music recognition systems with complicated noise and see what they hallucinate.) I believe your Izotope subscription contains the Melodyne Essential and that is the only Melodyne version that does not do Audio to MIDI. You would need to purchase at least the next version, the Melodyne Assistant, to accomplish audio to MIDI. Mario, I have Melodyne Essential 4 which was upgraded to 5. Both editions can perform audio to MIDI conversion on monophonic audio files. They are unable to perform audio to MIDI conversion on polyphonic audio files. Many users forget but the Band-in-a-Box Audio Editor can Transcribe - This will transcribe the audio as MIDI data and write it into the same track. Note that the audio in the source track should be monophonic (e.g., vocal, saxophone). per page 318 of the BiaB User Manual.
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Billy, You may not remember but Peavey and AutoTune collaborated to create the +++ AT-200 +++ electronically tuned guitar. In addition to a standard "E" tuning the guitar can play in alternate tunings like Drop-D. The AutoTune website also offered a kit to retro fit electric guitars and lap steels as well as pedal boards for vocalists. I was a fan of AutoTune until they decided to get out of the hardware business.
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........................ Mario, I have Melodyne Essential 4 which was upgraded to 5. Both editions can perform audio to MIDI conversion on monophonic audio files. They are unable to perform audio to MIDI conversion on polyphonic audio files. Many users forget but the Band-in-a-Box Audio Editor can Transcribe - This will transcribe the audio as MIDI data and write it into the same track. Note that the audio in the source track should be monophonic (e.g., vocal, saxophone). per page 318 of the BiaB User Manual. That is interesting Jim as their web site says that it does not do Audio to MIDI. Thanx for setting the record straight. I don't use RB much so I forgot about that function. Thanx for that also.
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I'll probably stick with MIDI Guitar, as I really need polyphony – I want to be able to take a recording of roosters on freight trains and turn it into a MIDI symphony. The recognition technology is optimized for real guitar playing, but it handles whatever I throw at it pretty well. https://www.jamorigin.com/
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Billy, You may not remember but Peavey and AutoTune collaborated to create the +++ AT-200 +++ electronically tuned guitar. In addition to a standard "E" tuning the guitar can play in alternate tunings like Drop-D. The AutoTune website also offered a kit to retro fit electric guitars and lap steels as well as pedal boards for vocalists. I was a fan of AutoTune until they decided to get out of the hardware business. Interesting stuff Jim. I had seen automatic tuners on a Taylor acoustic that actually mover the machine heads. I never came across the Peavey. Billy
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Gibson came out with motorized and automatic guitar tuners in 2008. +++ WikiPedia Article +++ and +++ YouTube Video +++ Really expensive and not well received.
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