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The showcase on the other hand I thought was more for "I think I'm as finished as I'm going to be. Maybe for now, maybe forever, so here it is!"
Man I'm with ya. I also thought the Showcase was for this purpose. However that rarely seems to be the case which is why I rarely post. Plus when I post a song in the showcase I'm truly done with it. The song has been released so the comments whether good or bad won't change anything because the song is out. I just save the critiques for the next one. I also listen to a lot of the songs but refrain from commenting other than if I like it I make sure to let the artist know. I just listen to the song as a whole and don't go too deep. That's just my method.
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Hey Madusin, Yes, that is kinda true. I don't really do all these constant musical youtubes man. They are always like: "Stay with me through my entire 30 minute youtube with commercials and at the end I will tell you about the one free plugin you absolutely need and must have to make all your mixes sound super great with just one click." Thirty minutes later... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ "So that's it! The entire story of my fifth grade class. Come back next week and I will tell you about the one plugin you need to make all your mixes great with just one click." I could have produced an album in the time it took to watch that. That being said, I do think we need to rescue this forum and start using it for the reasons you mention HTL. 
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Henry, Yes. Absolutely. I agree with you on all. I am going to ask you another question on another thread about Tunecore. I think that was you.
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Henry, Yes. Absolutely. I agree with you on all. I am going to ask you another question on another thread about Tunecore. I think that was you. David, I'll be happy to share everything I know about Tunecore with you. I've been with them for about 3 years. If you want to post that's fine. If you don't just shoot me an email at hclarkes7@gmail.com. Regards, Henry
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Henry, I sent you an email but it bounced. So I tried a new config. Check your email above for a typo and tell me if you got mine. Oh, by the way Henry, you have a GREAT YouTube channel!!! I WILL be spending time there!! Looks really cool.
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[quote=David Snyder]Henry, I sent you an email but it bounced. So I tried a new config. Check your email above for a typo and tell me if you got mine. Oh, by the way Henry, you have a GREAT YouTube channel!!! Dave it's the right e-mail. Not sure why it bounced. A lot of people forget the "e" on Clarke when they spell my name. The email address is "hclarkes7@gmail.com" ... and alternative is "hclarkes7@msn.com" Either one should get to me. I mainly use gmail for music related inquiries and the msn is for all my BILLS :-) Anyway try either and don't omit the "e". Cheers, Henry
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ALL.
as i'm always coming up with the craziest ideas, i had this doozy of a crazy one overnight.
a pg song evaluation forum called....
"PG USER SONG CRUCIBLE". and its details read something like... ,
"can you park your ego at the door and post your song in this toughest song evaluation/suggestion/critique forum" ( this would be seperate from the user showcase forum.)
but then after reading charlies excellent points, then i was struck by , what are the ramifications ? and who would be the judges ?
cos even judges have their in built biases. would it be worth experimenting with the idea ?
maybe a prize for people that are in top 10 ?
maybe a free pg product ?
OR would some people get tres annoyed by judges evaluations for it to work ?
me personally, it wouldnt bother me at all to be told i suck by the judges...lol.
maybe another prize as a result of a song surviving the judges , is, a major well known big city radio station has a time each week when they play song survivors.
maybe pg could arrange this with say a big radio station ?
you see what really bothers me is ive heard some great musicianship and songs from pg forum members and huge talents, which i lament are never heard on major radio and/or tv stations, BUT SHOULD BE, because a lot of what i hear on the hit parades today frankly dont crank me up in comparison to songs ive heard in the user showcase. frankly its a big shame imho. it really concerns me that there is so much talent here the rest of the world doesnt possibly hear. this really bothers me.
just throwing out ideas. so dont slam me..lol.
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Money can quickly corrupt any process. Money, the killer of artistic creation.
"Money,It's a crime,Share it fairly,But don't take a slice of my pie" is A line from the Pink Floyd song Money. And by the way, I posted the above line that I do not hold the Copywrite under Copywrite laws concerning fair use.
Fair use is a doctrine in the United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as for commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, or scholarship.
WoW, Charlie, can you imagine a world where you could need a lawyer over something said on this forum!
What would we need, a legal disclaimer stating that if you comment on my song you forgo any and all rights to part ownership of the material. Obviously, a lawyer would have to devise such a disclaimer. Obviously, I could still wind up in court.
Pretty disgusting things to need to consider.
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Deviating a little from the main topic I think the Showcase forum should have a like button. Thus those whom listen but don't like/want to comment can hit the like button if they like the song. The like tally would show on the OP's posting. YMMV
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Money can quickly corrupt any process. Money, the killer of artistic creation.
"Money,It's a crime,Share it fairly,But don't take a slice of my pie" is A line from the Pink Floyd song Money. And by the way, I posted the above line that I do not hold the Copywrite under Copywrite laws concerning fair use.
Fair use is a doctrine in the United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as for commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, or scholarship.
WoW, Charlie, can you imagine a world where you could need a lawyer over something said on this forum!
What would we need, a legal disclaimer stating that if you comment on my song you forgo any and all rights to part ownership of the material. Obviously, a lawyer would have to devise such a disclaimer. Obviously, I could still wind up in court.
Pretty disgusting things to need to consider.
Cheers,
Billy Hey Billy, I don't mean to be divisive with my comment and so I've deleted it. It's probably nothing needing consideration.
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Deviating a little from the main topic I think the Showcase forum should have a like button. Thus those whom listen but don't like/want to comment can hit the like button if they like the song. The like tally would show on the OP's posting. YMMV My mileage does vary IMHO as with Facebook comments would decrease by a huge percentage and an equally huge percentage of “likers” would not read the post much less listen. Boat loads of salt Bud
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...."can you park your ego at the door and post your song in this toughest song evaluation/suggestion/critique forum" ( this would be seperate from the user showcase forum.)
...... what are the ramifications ? and who would be the judges ?
cos even judges have their in built biases.
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you see what really bothers me is ive heard some great musicianship and songs from pg forum members and huge talents, which i lament are never heard on major radio and/or tv stations, BUT SHOULD BE, because a lot of what i hear on the hit parades today frankly dont crank me up in comparison to songs ive heard in the user showcase. frankly its a big shame imho. it really concerns me that there is so much talent here the rest of the world doesnt possibly hear. this really bothers me. Actually, this is available to you but not here. Any of a number of sites have judges, screeners, reviewers, or evaluators who will do that for you. I've been a part of those groups in the past. Some are pretty costly membership only sites. They hold out the promise of having leads to the inner sanctums of publishers, artists and producers of music, film, and TV. They are diplomatic in the way they tell you that your music sucks for their intended purposes.... but the message is there nonetheless. Some have forums where you can mingle with the members to ask about reviewing your music, and others have forums that are not very busy and don't have it open to anyone but members and if you ask for a review, it's not often that you actually get any good information. Do I sound jaded? Perhaps, but I've been there, done that, and don't even have a T-shirt to show for my time and effort. I accomplished more on my own to move my music into commercial use than all of the organizations I've been in put together.
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... I thought someone could simply include "Critique" or "Input Needed" in their thread title, realizing they would get input to possibly help their song. Then we wouldn't have to wonder what someone is looking for and wouldn't get overlooked or lost in the showcase.
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The showcase on the other hand I thought was more for "I think I'm as finished as I'm going to be. Maybe for now, maybe forever, so here it is!" ... Hear To Learn's understanding makes a lot of sense to me. If most of the forum users that are songwriters (I'm not a song writer) agree then post that way.
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I feel pretty dull suggesting this, but if the desire is for a place to discuss works in progress, how about "Works in Progress"?
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I find it really helpful when someone posts what kind of feedback - if any - they're looking for. Ironically, it's often the people who don't need feedback (I'm looking at you, floyd jane) who are often the most open to it. And being specific about the type of feedback - be it lyrics, mix, level of appeal - is really helpful. When someone posts a question about correcting a mix and it sound fine to me, I won't waste time talking about lyrics.  I do wish there were a like button, because often I'll read through a thread and someone will say exactly what I was thinking. I'll look for the "Like" button, and it's not there. I know that people are worried about people mindlessly clicking "like", but hey - isn't that better than thread-whores like me putting our songs back on the top of the thread again?  So I think being specific about what kind of feedback you're looking for and using the existing forum is a good way to go. Back to lurking mode for a while, but I miss hanging out here!
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I don't really do all these constant musical youtubes man. They are always like: "Stay with me through my entire 30 minute youtube with commercials and at the end I will tell you about the one free plugin you absolutely need and must have to make all your mixes sound super great with just one click." Thirty minutes later... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ Generally agree, David; but, "How to Save your Progress in Guitar" was off the scale.
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Ironically, it's often the people who don't need feedback (......) who are often the most open to it.
I know that people are worried about people mindlessly clicking "like", but hey - isn't that better than thread-whores like me putting our songs back on the top of the thread again....
Bwahahaha..... Post Bumping Blues
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and heres a situation to consider. sorta catch 22.
the case of the new user who just bought biab, and has just created his/her first song EVER in their life.
then posted it in a user showcase here or a review forum elsewhere on the net , asking for comments.
how do reviewers answer ? maybe one reviewer is more of a jazzer and dont like the rock song posted.
or vice versa a jazz song is posted , and a reviewer is more rock biased.
as we are all human beings, we all have our little biases, much as we might try to be fair and impartial.
in addition a sensitive reviewer knowing its a first ever song creation might think "well i dont want to put the person off from posting more songs because in a few years this person, after a learning curve might produce a song thats a stunner ".
so its a bit of a balancing act for people asked to review songs.
honestly, after lots of thought and rereading this thread i dont have any more insightfull answers, other than to ask >>> HOW DOES ONE ENCOURAGE THE PERSON NEW TO SONGWRITING AND SONG PRODUCTION<<<
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I honestly, originally, thought that is what this forum we are in right now would be for. When it was first announced I was pretty excited. I thought someone could simply include "Critique" or "Input Needed" in their thread title, realizing they would get input to possibly help their song. Then we wouldn't have to wonder what someone is looking for and wouldn't get overlooked or lost in the showcase. I was a little disappointed when this forum became more about pointing to videos or articles on song writing. I like them, don't get me wrong; but I haven't seen that part you can't get from just searching youtube. All of you! The showcase on the other hand I thought was more for "I think I'm as finished as I'm going to be. Maybe for now, maybe forever, so here it is!" I know this is a bunch that is eager to help when needed. So we've got that going for us...which is nice.  If I understand correctly I like this solution a lot! We already have this forum. Simply remember to add "[Critique Wanted]" or "[Input Needed]" at the beginning of your thread title. Then elaborate on what you are looking for and include lyrics and/or a link to your song. This is something interested parties can easily implement with what we already have. Then maybe ask PGM to add a sticky that explains this?
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Ok,
So here is the thing, there are TWO types of necessary feedback.
1.) For ALL people regardless of skill level, they need a place like the showcase to post their FINISHED works and just have kind, supportive, encouraging souls to say "Hey, loved your new tune. Keep it up!!" We ALL need that kind of encouragement. ALL of us.
2.) In some cases, I honestly am confused, about say, my chorus, am not happy with it, and wonder if anyone else sees any problems I am overlooking. That, to me, is whole different kind of forum and thread. But again, just me. People can say "but that is what the showcase forum is for..." but to me, it might be what THIS one is for. I am still thinking.
I was on another forum for about a week (NOT BIAB) and it was strange.
There were people in a certain clique and no matter what they posted, no matter how good or bad, it was always like this: "Utter perfection. God must have written this. Ready for the radio. Should be #1 in the nation. Not a note out of place. St. Peter would cry. A Grammy winner if there ever was one. The most stupendous work of sheer utter brilliance ever heard on this forum. Again."
For others, not in the clique, their stuff could get ripped to shreds.
But, if you were ever to have said to someone in the clique:
"I dunno, kind of sounded like the Carpenters. Or Captain and Tennille. Chipmunk Love. Did you do that on a cassette tape by any chance?"
You would have gotten:
"AaaaaaGGHHHH!!!!! Boo hoo hoo! You hater! Child of Satan! How dare you!!!!"
I quickly left that forum because I saw the light early.
So, I like it here, and love the people and the feedback, so I guess I will just keep thinking.
I don't have any answers either, but I do have a lot of friends here and am making more friendships day by day.
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