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Need some drum ideas #672776 09/13/21 02:17 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late Planobilly OP Veteran
OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	This is a track for a space video I am trying to create. So far all I have is live guitar and keyboards. The end results will contain vocals. I am struggling to come up with a drum track. I have Superior Drummer and Addictive Drums plus all the stuff in BIAB. This is a short clip that can be downloaded. https://soundcloud.com/planobilly/space Any ideas for a drum track? Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672781 09/13/21 02:58 AM Off-Topic
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,988 Wauconda	A great track deserves great drums. Challenge accepted. Lets see if I can do some damage. Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672788 09/13/21 03:43 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Thanks Dan...looking forward to what you come up with. This is in Cm at 110 BPM. So you can visualize what I have in mind for the video, the first 16 bars with the guitar hits see the spaceship in the distance, and get closer with each guitar hit. After that, there is a transition to the inside of the spaceship, and the vocal starts. The person singing is an android/humanoid who is running the ship but does not consider what he is doing as singing. He has his back to the camera much of the time. I know, send the guys with the white coats to Billy's house...lol Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672801 09/13/21 05:03 AM Off-Topic
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,650	Billy. this is v nice, but i feel compelled to say i'm not sure this evocative track needs traditional drums. i'm hearing more the idea of sparse tympani and orchestral drum hits throughout the piece judiciously placed, rather than a drum trak constantly banging away like one might hear in other genres. i'm thinking what would a orchestral arranger do in this situation ? i feel he/she would tsake a sparse approach with the occasional dramatic drum hit. i hope you dont mind my honest comment. best om my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)

Re: Need some drum ideas justanoldmuso #672804 09/13/21 05:14 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso Billy. this is v nice, but i feel compelled to say i'm not sure this evocative track needs traditional drums. i'm hearing more the idea of sparse tympani and orchestral drum hits throughout the piece judiciously placed, rather than a drum trak constantly banging away like one might hear in other genres. i'm thinking what would a orchestral arranger do in this situation ? i feel he/she would tsake a sparse approach with the occasional dramatic drum hit. i hope you dont mind my honest comment. best om Absolutely, please always feel free to comment as you like about anything I post. Because I have been struggling with the percussion aspect I suspect you may be right. I also was thinking about some sound effects to emulate a spacecraft engine with the correct pulse to fit the music. I defiantly can hear sparse tympani. I have to run out to Miami to get a third Covid shot so I will be off the air for a few hours well...unless the Covid shot places a drum track in my DAw...You know, the nano stuff to track your whereabouts and control you...lol Billy....lol Last edited by Planobilly; 09/13/21 05:15 AM. “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas DrDan #672821 09/13/21 07:09 AM Off-Topic
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Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672838 09/13/21 10:15 AM Off-Topic
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,988 Wauconda	First layer of drums are done! But it is hard to stop and not move to adding another layer. I have set a deadline for myself of end of day so I will upload what I got at that time. Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Need some drum ideas DrDan #672839 09/13/21 10:18 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Thanks Dan, Take your time. I am not in any hurry. This whole idea is in the early development stage. If there is anything I can do for you just ask. The same goes for anyone else. Billy Last edited by Planobilly; 09/13/21 10:21 AM. “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas justanoldmuso #672849 09/13/21 12:44 PM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso Billy. this is v nice, but i feel compelled to say i'm not sure this evocative track needs traditional drums. i'm hearing more the idea of sparse tympani and orchestral drum hits throughout the piece judiciously placed, rather than a drum trak constantly banging away like one might hear in other genres. i'm thinking what would a orchestral arranger do in this situation ? i feel he/she would tsake a sparse approach with the occasional dramatic drum hit. i hope you dont mind my honest comment. best om I agree with the above. Along the lines of this thought, the sparkly DX-7 sounding electric piano seems too far forward compared to the other sounds. The chord changes are ACE! My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672858 09/13/21 01:48 PM Off-Topic
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,988 Wauconda	OK, you asked for an "idea". So here is a quick mix. Everything goes better with Toms Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Everything is better with Toms.JPG (64.39 KB, 65 downloads) Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Need some drum ideas DrDan #672859 09/13/21 01:55 PM Off-Topic
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 11,060 Winston Salem, NC USA	Dan, That's so cinematic it kinda' reminds me of the Spongebob Squarepants +++ Sweet Victory +++ Super Bowl performance. Jim Fogle - 2026 BiaB (Build 1224) RB (Build 8) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Need some drum ideas Jim Fogle #672879 09/13/21 03:21 PM Off-Topic
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,988 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle Dan, That's so cinematic it kinda' reminds me of the Spongebob Squarepants +++ Sweet Victory +++ Super Bowl performance. Pretty good call there Jim. Now I have to wonder how did you know that? Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672901 09/14/21 12:34 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Sorry guys, I was feeling a bit tired and went to bed very early last evening. Well...Thank you Dan for the drum track. It certainly gives me some ideas. I really appreciate you taking the time to deal with this. I definitely think we all should follow Dan's lead in being willing to take the time to help other people with their music. So, again thanks Dan. Billy Last edited by Planobilly; 09/14/21 01:14 AM. “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672904 09/14/21 12:42 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Rockstar...you are definitely right about the mix. In fact, I am not sure if that is even the sound I am looking for. Jim, drums aside, the cartoon was pretty funny. “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas DrDan #672906 09/14/21 12:51 AM Off-Topic
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,108 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Pretty good call there Jim. Now I have to wonder how did you know that? Ha Ha Ha, me too BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672908 09/14/21 01:11 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	The way forward... This whole project is upside down. I am writing the music for a video that has not been produced yet. In fact, I have only started to write the script and produce a storyboard. To make matters worse I have no idea what I am doing...lol This idea has been rolling around in my head for several years. I have about a zillion dollars tied up in Toontracks software and they have "orchestral drums" that have the sounds I am looking for. Another $250 dollars...Jezzes...will it never end! As all this started out as a musical idea a long time ago, I never considered the possibility of this turning into a "cinematic orchestral" production. A short look into orchestral VSTs left a lump in my throat as to the cost of such VSTs. I have been wanting to do something different for some time. This is for sure different. I am really in uncharted waters, in the deep end of the pool and over my head. It is becoming apparent I really need to score all this out. That is a scary idea! I can see already that I will need some help. That most likely will involve psychiatric help also...lol Cheers, Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672912 09/14/21 01:46 AM Off-Topic
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,108 Melbourne, Australia	Way to go, Billy! Nothing better than having an idea and taking it to fruition, especially a musical idea. Despite the frustrations, deep inside I'll bet you're looking forward to the challenges. You got my support, for sure. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Need some drum ideas AudioTrack #672917 09/14/21 02:04 AM Off-Topic
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,650	Billy. before spending oodles of dough..mario turned me on to free orchestral vst plug ins. he is an expert imho. also google/you tube , and there are quite a few that sound great... includeing orch drums. eg https://blog.landr.com/best-free-orchestral-vsts/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy8grPuJi8c i would talk to mario who does great cinematics if you peruse the user showcase. also there are lots of pd orch sounds around. just read the licensing carefully. eg freesound. best oldmuso. Last edited by justanoldmuso; 09/14/21 02:10 AM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)

Re: Need some drum ideas Planobilly #672919 09/14/21 02:10 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Thanks for the link oldmuso. I have been looking around for free or nearly free stuff. I will get Mario's thoughts on the subject. He is always ready to help anyone. Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: Need some drum ideas AudioTrack #672921 09/14/21 02:14 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,741 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Originally Posted By: VideoTrack Way to go, Billy! Nothing better than having an idea and taking it to fruition, especially a musical idea. Despite the frustrations, deep inside I'll bet you're looking forward to the challenges. You got my support, for sure. Thanks Trev...you are one of the good guys who is always reaching out to help people. Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

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