That reminds me of the time in 1991 when we played an event for recovering alcoholics and we started drinking beer at 1pm during setup. By the time we started at 8 we were HAMMERED!!!
That didn't go over well.
At all.
That was probably a collective bad decision as I look back on it now...
There is more than one way to do this. What's right for one isn't necessarily right for the other.
Unlike Eddie, I actually enjoy playing Mustang Sally and the others.
To me, simple songs are like potato chips or Cheetos, junk food for the ears. Not a lot of nutritional value, but a lot of fun to play.
I enjoy nutritious 'art songs' too, and play some of those as well.
I enjoy playing WITH the audience. It's a dialog, it's give and take, and they enjoy what I do, even when I add something for myself. I'm rewarded with love from the audience and enough money to meet my needs.
I don't consider entertaining a sell-out. Other's do. To me, the ultimate sell-out is to take a day job, so I can play 'art music' one day a week for drinks and tips or very low wages. Other's disagree, but that makes us both right.
I had two 'day jobs' in my life while testing what it was to be normal, and to me a bad day at playing music is better than a good day at any other job I can think of.
And I don't agree that the average audience would like whatever you played, as long as you do it well. If I decided to play a set consisting of "Four", "Moonlight Sonata", "Marzy Dotes", "Camptown Races", "Brandenburg Concerto", "Bemsha Swing", and "Night In Tunisia" 90% of the people in the USA wouldn't like it. None of these are considered pop music to me.
During one of my day jobs, I played Sunday afternoons in a jazz band. The guitarist taught at the University of Miami and was in Ira Sullivan's group for a while. Real heavyweights in the industry came to sit in with us because they knew him well. I enjoyed that gig.
For a few years, I played in a top40 band, and ended up being the opening act for top stars of the day. Enjoyed that one too. Plus, I've gigged in a blues band, Salsa band, punk band, sonic-wallpaper band, disco band, psychedelic acid-rock band, show band, symphonic band, and an oldies band. I enjoyed them all.
I just like playing music, and I like entertaining an audience. It's the most fun I can have with my clothes on. YMMV
That reminds me of the time in 1991 when we played an event for recovering alcoholics and we started drinking beer at 1pm during setup. By the time we started at 8 we were HAMMERED!!!
That didn't go over well.
At all.
That was probably a collective bad decision as I look back on it now...
Years ago, an agent booked us for a New Year's Eve party at an Alcoholics Anonymous club. I discovered it was A.A. when we got there to set up our gear. I told the guy who let us in, "You know, you took away our competitive edge!" He laughed a bit, grinned a lot, and I knew it was going to be OK.
They had coffee, doughnuts, soft drinks, finger food, and people from all classes of society were there, from the poor to the well-heeled. Inside A.A. they all got along despite their class differences because they had one major thing in common.
We had a great time at the gig, and I felt a little safer driving home that night.
And I don't agree that the average audience would like whatever you played, as long as you do it well. If I decided to play a set consisting of "Four", "Moonlight Sonata", "Marzy Dotes", "Camptown Races", "Brandenburg Concerto", "Bemsha Swing", and "Night In Tunisia" 90% of the people in the USA wouldn't like it. None of these are considered pop music to me.
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I would LOVE to hear that set and anyone who could accomplish it. The Brandenburg is the killer. But that’s just me.
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There is more than one way to do this. What's right for one isn't necessarily right for the other.
Unlike Eddie, I actually enjoy playing Mustang Sally and the others.
To me, simple songs are like potato chips or Cheetos, junk food for the ears. Not a lot of nutritional value, but a lot of fun to play.
I enjoy nutritious 'art songs' too, and play some of those as well.
I enjoy playing WITH the audience. It's a dialog, it's give and take, and they enjoy what I do, even when I add something for myself. I'm rewarded with love from the audience and enough money to meet my needs.
I don't consider entertaining a sell-out. Other's do. To me, the ultimate sell-out is to take a day job, so I can play 'art music' one day a week for drinks and tips or very low wages. Other's disagree, but that makes us both right.
...................................... Insights and incites by Notes ♫
Unlike you I was a weekend warrior for years playing in wedding bands. Other guitarists called me a sell-out but I just laughed all the way to the bank.
Like you we interacted with the audience and played what they wanted to hear and not necessarily what we liked to play. The plus side of this is that we had more gigs then we wanted and had to turn down many gigs because we were already booked.
During the down times, all in the winter months, we played at VFWs, American Legions, etc. Again we were booked year after year.
The bottom line is that you have to decide what you want to play and not criticize people who take a different path.
YMMV
Back in my day the only time we started panic buying was when the bartender shouted "last call"!
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SIMON! That was spectacular. I'd call it stripped down metal, maybe. It has the 'elements' even when it was quiet..the jagged rhythm, dissonance, and all that.
It's just that they were out of costume (except the drummer, but only when he was shirtless). They look like the next six or so hipsters through the doors at Starbucks. How can they be metal without the costumes?
But that singer! Lord-a-mercy. Those are probably the best vocals I've heard in a long, long, long ever.
Glad you liked it! Your reaction is spot-on - Einar's vocals are absolutely out of this world.
Originally Posted By: Tangmo
On topic: Pop is like [*****]. I have a hard time defining it, but I know it when I (see) hear it. I've always liked the majority of what made it to radio, as long as it doesn't wear out its welcome.
I agree. I think we all get tired of whatever we hear too much of - for example listening to Kiss a few times is fun, but a hundred thousand times might get a bit old.
Originally Posted By: eddie1261
I will play what I want to play, and I am going to have a band that plays it SO WELL that they will have no choice but to adore us for what they are hearing. And it will include about 20% of my own writings.
Drivers really loved the Corvette and the Firebird. Should every car maker have tiptoed down the party line and make one of what every other car maker is already doing, or is there something to be said for being unique?
Valid point. Don't get me wrong here, those are two beautiful cars, and one could argue that they are universally accepted as the pinnacle of automotive design, but having driven more than my fair share of Firebirds and their Camaro siblings I can confidently say I would never want to own one.
Same goes for music. Having listened to my fair share of country, hip hop, blues, top 40, and other genres I don't typically listen to, I can confidently say that I would likely be bored at a gig that focused on these genres. You could put me at the front row of a Beatles concert and I would probably get bored and walk out, much like how most of you would walk out of a Meshuggah concert.
Originally Posted By: Planobilly
It's not your choice what you can sing in certain venues.
Especially if you're getting paid.
Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
I don't consider entertaining a sell-out. Other's do. To me, the ultimate sell-out is to take a day job, so I can play 'art music' one day a week for drinks and tips or very low wages. Other's disagree, but that makes us both right.
Much how I don't consider working here at PG a sell-out. I could try and start my own music studio, which would likely end up a very expensive exercise in futility, but I'm happy receiving a regular paycheque while still working a job that allows me to be musical and creative. Not to mention I share an office with a very expensive grand piano that I get to play regularly...
I would LOVE to hear that set and anyone who could accomplish it. The Brandenburg is the killer. But that’s just me.
The third movement of Moonlight Sonata might come a close second!
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Having driven more than my fair share of Firebirds and their Camaro siblings I can confidently say I would never want to own one.
Darn Simon, I had you in my will to get my Camaro. I guess I'll have to find someone else to give it to when I pass......
Haha I meant Camaro's are the best car ever and I've always wanted one of my own hahaha
*edit* Realistically, most of the Camaro's I've driven were 80's models that were very well worn - one had been extensively modified, but not very well (a rear-end swap that totally messed up the gear ratios). The Firebirds I've driven were all similar, save for my dad's '99 Firebird Formula, which in my opinion was just not as fun to drive as my old '94 Mustang V6, my '91 Probe, or my '99 Cougar.
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Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the mid 80s - 90s Firebird/Camaros that were a little smaller. The big late 70s - early 80s were much better. My Dad had a couple late 70s TransAms that were awesome to drive. All the electronics and tech features in them today make them very fun plus the retro body style. I really like to play Pop Music!!! There, back on topic....
nice car sslecta. lol...camaros/firebirds/corvettes etc common as cheese. get a real mans car lmao... as i mention in my song coastal highway in the pg user showcase.. A CATERHAM (links/pics on you tube in the showcase).
all the women i know lol...say real men choose the caterham option to build your own.
lol...if you get a caterham, all you american guys. note >> englands women like american guys accents and also flash sports cars. i should know cos when i lived in uk , i would pretend to be american by hanging around with some american buds...lol...thats how i got dates. so i went to america where the american women like english blokes. opposites attract lol
ps love eddies bobble pic. happiness to all om ps i once owned a wreck of a 79 firebird with a special engine if i remember forgotten engine model. wish i had kept it now and refurbed it. 289 ?
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
You guys need to come to visit me so you can see both cars and guitars!
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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
Come on down Simon. I have a 200-watt metal amp from hell I custom-built just for you to play through. But better bring a helper because the Mercury Magnetics transformers tip the scale at around forty pounds.
Oh, and just in case you don't like the Ferrari you can take the Countach for a spin...lol
Billy
Last edited by Planobilly; 09/23/2101:47 PM.
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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The closest thing I had to a Ferrari was a Fiat 128 Spider. Its name was "Freddy" (the only car I ever had with a male name). Body by Pininfarina, tuned exhausts, red, convertible, 2 seater, it was fast, and it hugged the road.
The speedometer went to 140 mph (225 km/h), but I never took it over 135 (217) because the tach yellow-lined there.
I got a ticket for going 95mph on I-95 once.
That car cost me a lot of money in fines.
But it was a lot of fun.
When I went from carrying two saxophones and a flute to the gig, to carrying a complete PA to the gig, I had to get something bigger. So it was "Arrivederci, Freddy."
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