I also just used band in a box My experience is very interesting. I actually used band in a box on my friend's computer ten years ago, but my final decision was not to use it. However, now I see the progress of band in a box, and I choose to use it. At the initial stage of use, it was also difficult for me to adapt. Asked a lot of questions. Everyone has been helping me in the forum. Now I have basically found my own operation method. I think it's very easy to use.
Pipeline, button 1 still inserts an F-Chord (and then highlights the next bar).
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
For one of my purposes, one method works quite good already. But for some other purposes, BiaB is just close to work well, but it's not yet above the degree where I can use it efficiently enough - and therefore I don't use it for those other purposes, which is a pity.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
Button 1 now produces a "Paused"-Window with an OK-Button.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
I don't think that the software uses different languages for the functions, it will only display them in different languages toward the users. However, this really gets too complicated, in relation to the low factual benefit as an external tool. As swingbaby said: Let's hope that PG will integrate something like this for BiaB-newbies into the regular UI.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
Ah AutoHotkey executes the click on the button with that name, instead of sending specific commands to BiaB?
I know it can take quite some time for PG, I totally agree on that. But an external tool only makes sense when its benefit is bigger than the input for creating and using it. Since this is only helpful for new users and since new users will not know about such a tool, and then installation process is more complicated than getting used to the unconventional current BiaB method, plus now it even would work only if the user translates parts of the script into his language (or the scripter makes the tool in 200 languages), plus the user always needs to have extra stuff opened in the background ... really, an external tool just doesn't make sense here.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
Ah, yes you're right, BiaB doesn't exist in all languages, for sure. But Button Names might be renamed by PG, or replaced and so on. Then they'd all have to be updated in such a script. However, this is just one aspect - I listed many other aspects in my last posting, and the list as a whole clearly shows that we would really waste our time here.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
You are in the English forum, there is a German forum that uses German language, you can post your script there. As I said if you want to learn you need to put effort in but if you want to make it sound like a really difficult thing and give up I can't help you. Hopefully PG will have it implemented and released for you next month.
Pipeline, there is no reason to be ironic. I have put a lot of time in writing down what in my opinion is helpful for new BiaB users. But I can't put in even more time in learning how to script software.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
MoveToGroove: << I have put a lot of time in writing down what in my opinion is helpful for new BiaB users. >>
swingbabymix: 01A << I think this mode of thinking is in line with modern software. However, if you adapt to the band in a box mode, it is actually very convenient. >>
MoveToGroove: 01B << I agree with swingbaby, in particular for this tool here. >>
MoveToGroove: 02A << it just depends on what you want to do with BiaB. For one of my purposes, one method works quite good already. But for some other purposes, BiaB is just close to work well, but it's not yet above the degree where I can use it efficiently enough - and therefore I don't use it for those other purposes, which is a pity. >>
swingbabymix: 02B << Now I have basically found my own operation method. I think it's very easy to use. >>
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No. You've spent a considerable time writing but not about how "Simple Songform Creator - a dialog window" is helpful for new BiaB users. Most of this discussion has been about scripting this specific feature.
Unless I totally misunderstand the above conversation, you don't agree with swingbabymix. You're proposing a new dialog tool to help you do song forms in BIAB. Swingbabymix clearly states he's found his way with the program as it currently exists and that for him, it's easy to use.
Interestingly, you both registered as new users the same day.
No one has discussed any deficiency of the suite of SongForm Tools that already exist and reside beneath the SongForm Icon posted on the Main Page Tool Bars Menu.
We here on the forum can't know new users musical theory background and I personally find it unclear if in less than a month, a new user will know enough about the BIAB program to effectively suggest new options when they don't mention or discuss existing tools that accomplish the task.
I don't think any person that understands the song form concept should have any difficulty with BIAB's Songform option and this discussion hasn't even acknowledged a suite of tools for creating song forms in BIAB. It leaves me in a position that I'm unable to form an opinion of any validity to the Wish List request.
The better option to me is if one does find a tool too complex or too difficult to manipulate, then the discussion should start with questions, concerns and recommendations to improve any existing tools rather than ignore such existing tools and request a 'new' tool as if it doesn't already exist.
I started this thread with the follwing explanation (you can look it up):
"Well, I don't have any personal stakes in this suggestion, it's just what I would have wished to find somewhere in the menues as a new user and what might help other new users (and even more: people who are quite new to making music in general) in the future: A Dialog Window for creating a Simple Songform in order to get started smoothly for the first weeks in BiaB - no Codas etc., no "Minus 1"-Count-Ins, and no weird Ending-Settings."
This contains a clear statement that I don't suggest this for myself (I have already found out a way how I can handle the songform), but just for other new users. Also the past form in which the topic is written clearly points to that. And the quoted part of my initial posting also contains examples about what's difficult for new users.
However, I admit that I might assume a bit too much empathy for how a new user probably thinks, but I really just found it quite self-explanatory that this - see pictures below - is totally weird for a new user (and that's why I didn't start my explanations with Adam and Eve - anyway, its always good to ask friendly questions):
Last edited by MoveToGroove; 10/10/2109:05 AM.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
I agree for a new user that all those menu screens may confuse someone not familiar with song construction but here's the menu I was referencing. I overlooked adding a screen shot.
I haven't recognized that window, so far. Maybe it's new for BiaB 2021? Haven't seen that in the two New-features-in-2021-videos either.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
I go to the trouble to make up the script for you and all you need to do is change the name to the German name WinMenuSelectItem, ahk_class TBandWindow, , Edit, Insert Bar(s)...
It's a normal thing over at Reaper, that's why it's way more popular, maybe that's why Biab was stuck in the past for so long, ask yourself.
this tool is not meant for ME, as I've said repeatedly - I've requested it for other users. Also, I've written 3 times, that it doesn't make sense to make an exernal script for this tool - you've ignored it all three times. I didn't want to say "no" when you asked me several times to test something, because I found it very kind of you, that you want to help those new users. So I did the testing - but it became more and more time consuming and even more and more unreasonable to go on with this external approach.
BiaB UltraPak+ 2026; Windows 10 Bass: Intermediate; Piano: Beginner I came to this forum in order to suggest feature improvements for non-professional musicians like myself that use BiaB mainly as a playalong tool and as a learning tool
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