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Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks #676908 10/08/21 10:25 AM Songwriting
Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 1 R Robert Stephens OP Newbie
OP Robert Stephens Newbie R Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 1	Hello all, I have BB2021. On some acoustic guitar tracks, the guitar has squeaks throughout the track. Although it was probably done to sound natural, it drives me crazy trying to use this track on a song. Also, it seems the guitar will play some strange lick that I have to remove from the recording. I was hoping the PG developers would consider this for future releases. I have tried regenerating the track, using the simple arrangement, etc., and it does not fix the track completely. The track I'm working with now uses _LONESON.sty. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #676911 10/08/21 10:43 AM Songwriting
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,215 Hamlin NY	I don't have that style so I can't try these suggestions, but I have eliminated noise and/or artifacts using the polyphonic version of Melodyne. 1-Carefully EQ this guitar track. This is not the optimum way but it might help. 2-If you have the polyphonic version of Melodyne you can eliminate said fret noise. Last edited by MarioD; 10/08/21 11:56 AM. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #676915 10/08/21 10:55 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	This is another free dynamic EQ recommended by others on the site. I have used it and it is cool. I have used it to successfully reduce 60 cycle hum to an almost inaudible level. https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-nova/ The "Q" setting on this will allow you to focus in on a very narrow frequency. Try to find the frequency where it is squeaking and see if you can squash it out. If you can, share you settings and let the rest of us know! Otherwise, you may have to go into audacity and do a lot of time consuming squeak removal, if you don't use Mario's tricks. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677005 10/08/21 11:06 PM Songwriting
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,173 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra... Teunis Expert
Teunis Expert Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,173 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...	Hi, I’m gonna get some real complaints here. I’m lucky I have Reaper but a number of DAWs do it. To reduce (or even eliminate) squeaks I use Spectral Editing. When Spectral Editing one can simply see the noise select the area and reduce its level. One can eliminate the squeak without greatly affecting the overall EQ of the note. See. https://youtu.be/vSBO_VC9q3E Go for the discussion folks. Some hate it some find it a great tool. Tony Last edited by Teunis; 10/09/21 01:54 AM. HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Teunis #677031 10/09/21 04:55 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	I love Reaper also, if only for ReaTune. Use it all the time!! If something works for a specific reason, why bash it?? I use all kinds of stuff. I thought everyone did! David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677057 10/09/21 08:26 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	So, I have an easy solution that brings this under control pretty fast. I will be using this all the time now on some of those old "Celtic" guitar tracks. Talk about squeaks!! I learned this on youtube. What you do is use a de-esser and the Izotope RX "de-clicker." I think I got that program for 9.99 or maybe free. Anyway, it seems those squeaks are in a "male" de-esser range and I fiddled with both of these until I found settings that make it quite bearable with destroying the sound quality or naturalness. I am all set now and I am glad someone forced me to figure this out. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Acoustic De-Esser.png (687.61 KB, 0 downloads) Acoustic De-Esser.jpg (122.63 KB, 148 downloads) David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677058 10/09/21 08:32 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	The "squeaky" guitar appears to be RealTrack # 2914 - Guitar, Acoustic Fingerpicking Folky 16ths Brent Ev16 085 [Brent Mason] Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Clipboard42 Instruments Used In Style _LONESON.jpg (15.4 KB, 144 downloads) RealTrack Instruments Used In _LONESON Style. This style is part of RealTracks set # 282. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Jim Fogle #677060 10/09/21 08:38 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Oh there is more than that my friend. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677080 10/09/21 11:28 AM Songwriting
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,173 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra... Teunis Expert
Teunis Expert Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,173 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...	David, have a look at the Kenny Gioia video on Spectral Editing that I pointed to above. Trust me it is the quickest, easiest and most efficient ways to get shy of a lot of unwanted noise. Even using the Spectral View can show one the bad areas (once a little experience is gained). The Spectral View can even show one the effect on a signal such as de-essing. Just a thought, Tony HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677082 10/09/21 11:42 AM Songwriting
Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689 Mark Hayes Expert
Mark Hayes Expert Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689	This all makes me want to take the track in question and create a UserTrack from it consisting of nothing but finger squeaks.

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Teunis #677083 10/09/21 11:54 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Tony, I looked at it. Thanks! I don't have nearly that much patience. Using the plugins I showed I can get it to a manageable level. In another lifetime, I will have that sort of patience if I am lucky. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677086 10/09/21 12:27 PM Songwriting
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 7,578 Sacramento, California dcuny Veteran
dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 7,578 Sacramento, California	The spectral editor in Reaper is basically a version of Spectro. You can download an fully-functional evaluation copy of Spectro and check it out. But Spectro costs $50 and Reaper is $60, you could just as simply just buy Reaper (and learn how to use a new DAW). -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677113 10/09/21 03:08 PM Songwriting
Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 138 J jamestoffee Apprentice
jamestoffee Apprentice J Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 138	It's not free, but if you want to do the job very quickly (like in a matter of seconds), the Izotope RX8 Standard bundle has a tool called "Guitar De-noise" https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rx/features/guitar-de-noise.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAfjGRxHKrY at 54 mins 30 secs https://youtu.be/Fo7zmVLGVFg?t=3270 Last edited by jamestoffee; 10/09/21 03:20 PM.

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677157 10/09/21 10:06 PM Songwriting
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,960 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,960 Cooran Queensland Australia	Tony's suggestions re Reaper are spot on. Kenny also does a GREAT video about creating a de-esser in Reaper that can easily be tweaked to removed string squeaks etc. It's a matter, as in all De-esers and dynamic EQs, of finding the offending frequency and then allowing the compressor of EQ to suppress/reduce the problem. I'd be inclined, personally, to use the Spectral image in Reaper and manually reduce the problem with automation of the Pre FX Volume automation line. It will take a little time but the results will be better. Sibilant sounds and strings squeaks drive me to distraction so I deal with these things as a matter of course and self preservation. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677176 10/10/21 02:14 AM Songwriting
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,173 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra... Teunis Expert
Teunis Expert Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,173 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...	The real advantage of using Spectral Editing over a de-esser is you can chop out the offending squeak, pop or whatever without affecting other parts of the signal. It is also possible to knock out very low frequencies if that is what is require. IZotope RX8 will also do this but I’ve found it far easier just to use Reaper’s Spectral Edit as it is just a part of the track editing process. Once you do it a few times it becomes quite simple to go to the Spectral View on a track and actually see the offending noise. From there it is easy to reduce the level of the offending part (or eliminate it). Sometimes a reduction sounds more natural. Try new stuff it is fun. Tony HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Teunis #677187 10/10/21 03:54 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Tony, Ok I will try!! Just for you. But...will it takes more than three seconds?? Because that is when my attention span begins to wane.... David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks David Snyder #677247 10/10/21 12:25 PM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	Originally Posted By: David Snyder Oh there is more than that my friend. For sure but RealTrack 2914 is the only acoustic guitar RealTrack used in the _LONESON style user Robert Stevens mentioned in the initial post. Musicians use to use guitar grease on their fingertips or flat wound strings to minimize squeaks. Now, virtual instruments have a knob to "dial in" how much squeaks you want. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Jim Fogle #677284 10/10/21 03:50 PM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	So I started playing at 11. I don't get too many squeaks because I release the pressure for a millisecond, lift and shift and then press back down when I have landed. It is kinda tricky but if you learn how to do it it solves a lot of problems. No vaseline required. Same idea here: https://www.classicalguitarcorner.com/l305-finger-noise-on-the-classical-guitar/ David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Robert Stephens #677308 10/11/21 01:51 AM Songwriting
Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,675 South Carolina C Charlie Fogle Veteran
Charlie Fogle Veteran C Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,675 South Carolina	To All: PRODUCER TIP This type of fix can also be done in BIAB using BIAB tools. No external software program used. _____________ I loaded the _LONESON.STY Demo and located a bar with a guitar fret squeak. I removed the squeak in BIAB from the Audio Editor window. I've attached a short MP3 file of three bars from the demo and a screenshot of the two Waveforms of the original unedited audio and the second clip of the repaired audio. You clearly hear the squeak in the first audio clip. The second audio clip repeats the three bars after I repaired the offending bar and the squeak has been eliminated. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) _LONESON Demo - Squeak Repair.mp3 (822.45 KB, 4 downloads) Two Audio Clips - First with the guitar fret squeak and the second audio clip with the fret squeak repaired. Waveform Screenshot .png (131.67 KB, 72 downloads) Waveform screenshot of the two audio clips. BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.

Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks Charlie Fogle #677335 10/11/21 05:25 AM Songwriting
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Hey Charlie, I am having a hard time following you. Can you explain how you did this, what tool you used, what the steps were to find these tools in the menu, and maybe circle some stuff in Paint with some arrows and stuff. I would not know where to begin. Sorry!! Maybe I am dense!!! David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

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