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#677063 10/09/21 09:41 AM
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Synth Demo

This is just a short demo that shows, I hope, that electronic dance music can be generated in Band-in-a-Box.

If you are looking for a melody or a chord progression don't look here.

Also note that is way out of my comfort zone!

BiaB Style - _Hush Hop.sty - Hush Hop Minimal Hip Hop
Tempo - 100 BPM

Bass - Synthmaster - preset - BT Funk Screamer
Drums - Drumsynth 500 - preset - Electro Drummer
Piano - Synthmaster One - preset - Arp MultiSaw
Guitar - Wave's Codex Synth - preset - Gridex
Strings - Synthmaster - preset - Lead Electrify AZ

The only effect was heavy compression on the master bus.

Note that the tracks are verbatim from BiaB. The only thing I did was to move the guitar part further down the track instead of being in the first few measures.

Feel free to say what you please! This is not my kind of "music?".


PS - This took a very long 1.5 hour from start to finish.


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Not my go-to music either, that was fun. Nice-sounding instruments, and you got your creative juices going. Maybe add a drop. Good job


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I'm not sure that this is the type of comment that you were seeking but here goes.......... IMO..........
Folk, Americana, Country, Rock and Jazz are predominantly singer-songwriter genres that biab excels at.
"Electronic" (broad term) is mainly loop and sample based where "songs" are assembled and it is here that biab is falling behind.
Write / Assemble. I enjoy both and hope for more contemporary sounding RT's from biab going forward.
cheers
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Early Depeche Mode for certain.

It reatins some of the graininess of the era - well done you & BIAB.


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Mario,

A nice departure. Though would have been nice if the piece changed up a bit as it continued on.

I really like the opening bass sound - made me check the SynthPlayer libraries that I have - and it isn't included (which is a shame, because I've been "looking" for that sound to use in newer stuff).

Cool experimentation. Nice mix.

fj

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Originally Posted By: Frankp
Not my go-to music either, that was fun. Nice-sounding instruments, and you got your creative juices going. Maybe add a drop. Good job


Thanx for listening and commenting Frank.


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Originally Posted By: Gary Weder
Mario
I'm not sure that this is the type of comment that you were seeking but here goes.......... IMO..........
Folk, Americana, Country, Rock and Jazz are predominantly singer-songwriter genres that biab excels at.
"Electronic" (broad term) is mainly loop and sample based where "songs" are assembled and it is here that biab is falling behind.
Write / Assemble. I enjoy both and hope for more contemporary sounding RT's from biab going forward.
cheers
Gary.


I agree with you Gary about what styles BiaB excels. My point here was that MIDI loops might be a better choice than audio loops. It would save on disk space and also allow the user to choose the synth sound they want. Like I said there are a ton of free synth sounds available.

I would make the MIDI loops 2-8 bars in length, much like the audio loops. One could drop them in BiaB and/or their DAW, this would work great in RealBand, then select a sound. YMMV


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Originally Posted By: rayc
Early Depeche Mode for certain.

It reatins some of the graininess of the era - well done you & BIAB.


Thanx Ray!


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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Mario,

A nice departure. Though would have been nice if the piece changed up a bit as it continued on.

I really like the opening bass sound - made me check the SynthPlayer libraries that I have - and it isn't included (which is a shame, because I've been "looking" for that sound to use in newer stuff).

Cool experimentation. Nice mix.

fj


I tried changing it up as well as adding a lead line. I just couldn't come up with something fast, i.e. it is not a genre that I am well versed.

Synthmaster and Synthmaster One are a great synths to have in your arsenal. I have not purchased another synth since I purchased them. They do have a free player:

https://www.kv331audio.com/synthmasterplayer.aspx

Thanx for listening and commenting.


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Originally Posted By: MarioD
My point here was that MIDI loops might be a better choice than audio loops.


Indeed.

Before those electronic audio loops became audio, they were MIDI signals flying in some musician's studio. Even the most "human" aspects (e.g., manual pitch bend) were all MIDI before they became sound.

You might conceivably wind up with an electronic RealTrack where the musician is using a virtual instrument you have on your own system!

MIDI, but not audio, gives you the same control(s) the original musician had.

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Mario.
youve helped me re orch libs.
i'm returning the favour mate.
heres 70,000 free loops/samples at music radar in alpha order ...its massive...page down page for full list.
everything from A to Z.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/free-music-samples-royalty-free-loops-hits-and-multis-to-download
all sorts of 'modern' free sounds.

hth/best
om

Last edited by justanoldmuso; 10/11/21 03:54 AM.

my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs
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(lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Mario,

I think this experiment is excellent. It shows another side of BIAB and you. smile

Nice work here.

Bob

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Too bad I can't praise your sense of melody in this case, but it is an interesting demo, nice use of BIAB possibilities, sounds like a good verse for a dance song, just add a pumping melodic chorus or a spoken story smile Reminds me of the band Blancmange, they are still around and make this kind of hypnotic electronic music.

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Mario.
youve helped me re orch libs.
i'm returning the favour mate.
heres 70,000 free loops/samples at music radar in alpha order ...its massive...page down page for full list.
everything from A to Z.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/free-music-samples-royalty-free-loops-hits-and-multis-to-download
all sorts of 'modern' free sounds.

hth/best
om


Thanx om, I bookmarked that page.

My point here was that MIDI loops might be a better choice than audio loops. It would save on disk space and also allow the user to choose the synth sound they want. Like I said there are a ton of free synth sounds available.

I would make the MIDI loops 2-8 bars in length, much like the audio loops. One could drop them in BiaB and/or their DAW, this would work great in RealBand, then select a sound. YMMV


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Mario,

I think this experiment is excellent. It shows another side of BIAB and you. smile

Nice work here.

Bob


Thanx Bob. I believe that with BiaB, a little imagination, and some track manipulation (that's easier in MIDI then RTs but it can be done in RTs) you can produce almost any music genre. YMMV


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Off to the club!
I better call them on my JitterBug to see if they are open.

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This was cool Mario. I have started playing with midi. Getting some great sounds with Studio One and BBC symphony plugins


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Well, it never mattered to me whether BiaB (or anyone else for that matter) could generate dance music, because the waltz and jitterbug are good enough. But I would NEVER pass up a MarioD offering, and I'm glad I didn't. You have the talent to make anything interesting.


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An interesting experiment, MarioD. It's good to see people working with some of the lesser used sounds in BIAB, and you've created something there that reminds me of the type of electronic music which was popular and in the UK charts during the early 80's by the likes of Depeche Mode, OMD, Gary Numan, New Order, Human League, etc.
It's not exactly my favourite music either, but it's nevertheless impressive and reminiscence of many an intro to pop songs of that era.

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This was cool Mario. I have started playing with midi. Getting some great sounds with Studio One and BBC symphony plugins


MIDI has a lot of options available. It all depends on your sound source and a little MIDI experience.

Thanx for listening and commenting.


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