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Hello Folks, SoundCloud link: MASTERED I started the music for this one about a week ago. It's "fairly" well sorted in terms of arrangement but not mix, tone etc. It needed a lyric & melody but I had nothing until I woke up yesterday with a line "He's locked & loaded as she walks to the door." I ignored it for a while but it nagged so I sat and wrote it into a word prog then the rest dribbled out. Not a happy narrative. I decided to try an on the run no thinking melody so did two passes in the DAW with the new lyric. Sloppy and ugly as expected. I tidied it a little today but it's a vocal that needs to be replaced obviously. Any & all suggestions about the lyric, melody, arrangement, playing etc are MOST welcome and will be, at the very least, tried. BIAB provided the RealDrums and, via Janice & Bud, the Super MIDI farfisa style organ. the rest is me on Harley Benton 12 string electric, Vantage bass, Squire Mustang, an ACtone pedal, a spring Reverb pedal and a Marshall amp. UPPER GARAGE....working title (file removed) Here's a new mix. I've tried all suggestions...including the harmony guitar which was fun to do but didn't work...more a lack of skill on my part...I even tried a pitched clone and that, as you'd expect, wasn't too lovely. I use some aggression, used drive, overdrive and distortion on the vocals but they all seem to grab hold of the sibilant zone and drove me NUTZ BUT it is in this mix. I've upped the PSP Vintage Warmer level for some grit but you'll hear what transpired. New verse vocal (double tracked) and some levelling via automation rather than a VST. I've removed the dirt/grit - it was causing all sorts of problems - not least of all IN my head. I've had another crack at the harmony lead part...only the 2nd half though. I removed almost all the compression plugins used on the previous mix and used gentler, stacked ones on this...had to do some more de-essing as a result. Vocals are much more up front now. Latest mix no grit (file removed) Lyrics... V1 He's locked and loaded as she heads for the door This battle won at the start of his War Just shut your mouth or there'll be more C1 It wasn't long till it came crashing down The face transformed: the anger the frown There's no one she knows in this town There's no escape no where to run There's nothing V2 Bags packed and ready because she wants no more And there's no protection within the law Can't recall what she wanted him for C2 It wasn't long till it came crashing down Lover transformed: to a dangerous clown He was her king but he battered his crown There's no escape no where to run There's nothing SOLO C3 It wasn't long till it came crashing down She's going under and feels like she'll drown The marks don't fade: they're the talk of the town There's no escape no where to run There's nothing V3 He's all excuses for the heart that he tore Just one more chance it's like it was before A bed of roses till there's a thorn C4 It wasn't long till it came crashing down The face transformed: the anger the frown He was her king but he battered his crown There's no escape no where to run There's nothing C5 It wasn't long till it came crashing down It all imploded: it came crashing down It wasn't long till it came crashing down There's no escape no where to run There's nothing
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ray,
There's a lot to like here.
A good write. Interesting images/phrases throughout. A very interesting melody, too!
The opening is really nice. A nice combination of guitars, bass and drums. Very Catchy!!
Those guitars work throughout.
I like the soloing! A great fit.
The vocals seem too "sweet". The lyric (and at times, the melody) has a real edge to it. The vocal tone doesn't match that. I would expect a "rougher", "meaner", more "angry" kind of vocal (but I may be missing the point all together. I can do that....)
Cool stuff.
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Cool song Ray. Lots of potential
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Ray, Very cool stuff. A bit more than just a sketch  I like it as a whole. Strong lyrics/ phrasing. I read it in the morning, but was guessing what it will sound like within context. My take.... polish mix, bring out vocals a little and call it done. Your vocals are GOOD! Excellent composition and arrangement too. I really see no point of re-inventing it, at least this version. Again, I think it only needs a mix and maybe optional couple of vocal re-takes. Your voice does work well on it! Good one. Thank you for sharing. Misha.
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Hi Ray,
This is a good rocker.
I agree with above comments - I would bring up volume of the vocals a touch so we can hear the lyrics.
Well done.
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My 2 cents:
The vocals need to be more gritty and aggressive.
Current vocals are a bit too mild mannered for the song and the subject.
I'd also bring the vocals more forward and cut the effect a bit, just a little washy.
Think more Tom Watts
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My 2 cents:
The vocals need to be more gritty and aggressive.
Current vocals are a bit too mild mannered for the song and the subject.
I'd also bring the vocals more forward and cut the effect a bit, just a little washy.
Think more Tom Watts
moto I agree. Either redo the vocals or take off all of the effects then start with a little distortion. Yes a little distortion on a vocal may do wonders for adding grit. I really liked the backing tracks. Excellent chops!
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ray,
There's a lot to like here.
A good write. Interesting images/phrases throughout. A very interesting melody, too!
The opening is really nice. A nice combination of guitars, bass and drums. Very Catchy!!
Those guitars work throughout.
I like the soloing! A great fit.
The vocals seem too "sweet". The lyric (and at times, the melody) has a real edge to it. The vocal tone doesn't match that. I would expect a "rougher", "meaner", more "angry" kind of vocal (but I may be missing the point all together. I can do that....)
Cool stuff.
fj Thanks for responding Floyd, It's an unsubtle and messy narrative but it is, almost 100% as it arrived. I did shorten the last line of each chorus as it was crowded and clipped. The intro was simple to do as it was just the chords & no thinking required. The solo, really, is my 1st attempt at starting off by just playing the scale...and it shows as the 1st half is just the bottom strings playing at being a bass part. After that, as you can hear, I played the chord tones on the E, B & G strings and that's about all. I did add some tube screamer to it but it went from being simplistic to being simplistic and messy. Ha, my vocal as sweet...I know what you mean though. It is the best I could manage given I was singing it for the 2nd time and I couldn't get a "voice" other that my own that early on. Yes, I'd expect a good, angry woman's voice in this. Instead I offer a poor sympathetic one. I'll work on things though...thanks.
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Cool song Ray. Lots of potential Thanks Scott, much appreciated.
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Ray, Very cool stuff. A bit more than just a sketch I like it as a whole. Strong lyrics/ phrasing. I read it in the morning, but was guessing what it will sound like within context. My take.... polish mix, bring out vocals a little and call it done. Your vocals are GOOD! Excellent composition and arrangement too. I really see no point of re-inventing it, at least this version. Again, I think it only needs a mix and maybe optional couple of vocal re-takes. Your voice does work well on it! Good one. Thank you for sharing. Misha. Thank you Misha, I'll give it a go based on your say so.
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Hi Ray,
This is a good rocker.
I agree with above comments - I would bring up volume of the vocals a touch so we can hear the lyrics.
Well done.
Best Regards
Nigel Thanks Nigel, I would've brought the vocals forward had it been a keeper but I saw/see it as a place holder. It doesn't quite rock the way I imagined...the narrative and melody pull it back towards something that may be power pop IF there was a sparkling vocalist.
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My 2 cents:
The vocals need to be more gritty and aggressive.
Current vocals are a bit too mild mannered for the song and the subject.
I'd also bring the vocals more forward and cut the effect a bit, just a little washy.
Think more Tom Watts
moto Cpt Moto, I agree with you - either gritty or a sparkling clean one...either would do. The only Tom Waits I truly enjoy is the stuff on Heart Attack & Vine. As a non drinker non smoker I'll have to search for the Waits Plugin. There's little modulation/spacial effect - just sloppy doubling really. I'll try to sort that if I don't find a singer in the meantime.
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I agree. Either redo the vocals or take off all of the effects then start with a little distortion. Yes a little distortion on a vocal may do wonders for adding grit.
I really liked the backing tracks. Excellent chops!
Mario, I'm no stranger to using some saturation and drive on a vocal...and there's a little free VST compressor ModernDeathcore, that adds some very cool aggressive colour, (no, not Death metal despite the name), it can be VERY cool when appropriately placed. I'll investigate. Thanks.
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Oh, man, I first heard this yesterday, but got interrupted before commenting. At first I wrung my hands together like an evil scientist, thinking Cool, a chance to collaborate with Ray. Then --well as mentioned by others, this song is essentially done. Just do everything prescribed and this is a winner. Really, man, your vocal sounds perfect --just bring it out and shape it. The melody is somewhat monotonous, but it's exactly what the song requires, and becomes quite catchy. That 12-string sounds really good throughout. Can't wait to hear the remix.
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Rayc.
i really liked that clean gtr starting at 2m12secs.
and the gtr's each side of the stereo image.
nice ending.
best
om
ps getting rid of fizzies..per one of your posts.
Ray.
heres what i do with those genned fizzy rt's...a tricky mate.
sometimes works sometimes dont.
1. i load reaps reafir on the trak.
2. go deep zooming into the fizz (HA HA SONG NAME>> INTO THE FIZZ lol i'm in a silly mood today.)
3. get a noise print of the fizz.
4. in reaps apply the noise print fizz to whole trak NOT HEAVY JUST GENTLE REDUCTION.
5. delete reafir, then load in a gtr amp plug in and re-amp eg commercial paid plug in or one of reaps
free gtr plug ins eg bassman or free freeamp gtr plug in. etc etc.
give it a bash sometime.
best
om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Oh, man, I first heard this yesterday, but got interrupted before commenting. At first I wrung my hands together like an evil scientist, thinking Cool, a chance to collaborate with Ray. Then --well as mentioned by others, this song is essentially done. Just do everything prescribed and this is a winner. Really, man, your vocal sounds perfect --just bring it out and shape it. The melody is somewhat monotonous, but it's exactly what the song requires, and becomes quite catchy. That 12-string sounds really good throughout. Can't wait to hear the remix. Thanks Mr Babu, If you want to collab just yell. I have so few skills I need to collaborate to finish things well. Besides collaborations can be ace fun as well as productive. You're, as ever, very kind.
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Rayc.
i really liked that clean gtr starting at 2m12secs.
and the gtr's each side of the stereo image.
nice ending.
best
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ps getting rid of fizzies..per one of your posts.
Ray.
heres what i do with those genned fizzy rt's...a tricky mate.
sometimes works sometimes dont.
1. i load reaps reafir on the trak.
2. go deep zooming into the fizz (HA HA SONG NAME>> INTO THE FIZZ lol i'm in a silly mood today.)
3. get a noise print of the fizz.
4. in reaps apply the noise print fizz to whole trak NOT HEAVY JUST GENTLE REDUCTION.
5. delete reafir, then load in a gtr amp plug in and re-amp eg commercial paid plug in or one of reaps
free gtr plug ins eg bassman or free freeamp gtr plug in. etc etc.
give it a bash sometime.
best
om
I actually have ReaFir running on all non BIAB tracks to deal with the noise problem I have at my location:a BIG peak at about 17kHz and a hum at 50Hz & below. It's a decent filter but, like all, leaves artefacts. I don't use amp sims/plugs...I do, occasionally, use an amp in a box pedal and when I do I use cab impulses to deal with some of the inherent issues. If there's fizz in this track I'll go back and tweak. Thanks for the pointers and the kind words.
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I like the verse, guitars are good as is the bass & vocal.
I don't love the chorus drum - seems a bit busy and overpowering.
The solo which is good, might sound interesting with a harmony guitar?
Good work.
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Ray
I like the verse, guitars are good as is the bass & vocal.
I don't love the chorus drum - seems a bit busy and overpowering.
The solo which is good, might sound interesting with a harmony guitar?
Good work.
Peter Thanks peter, I tried the harmony part but I failed to pull it off..nice idea though. Yes, the drums are almost chaotic in the chorus - it was there, initially, becasue I wanted something garagey...eventually I decided to keep it as it offered the aggression and confusion of the chorus narrative...sophistry I know.
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Ray
I like the verse, guitars are good as is the bass & vocal.
I don't love the chorus drum - seems a bit busy and overpowering.
The solo which is good, might sound interesting with a harmony guitar?
Good work.
Peter Peter, I've had another crack at the harmony part in the 2nd half of the solo and have attempted to tame the drums i the choruses a little more.
Cheers
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
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