I'm talking much smaller than the mini ITX. Here's the newest Zotac Zbox: https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-i7-10510U-G...73130&psc=1

This is only 5 x 5 inches and uses the mobile U chips. But I can't find a separate case for one of these, just the barebones kits like this one. My current Zbox is sitting next to my 60" HDTV in my living room which is why I want it small but a few of the mini ITX cases would fit behind the TV too. I'm just deciding how much power do I really need because I'm not a gamer. A desktop CPU is better than the mobile one but do I care? Not sure yet because as far as Biab is concerned my old I7 4770 will still render a full RT song in about 10 seconds depending on if I'm using a RT soloist or not. I've found it's the soloist that slows down the generation and can double that time.

Bob

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