Originally Posted By: Gary Weder
Hi Charlie.
This thread interests me because as an old guy (i'm 66) I am bored with the same old- same old in Biab. I am looking to take my music in new modern directions.
I have even got a new controller keyboard (m-audio oxygen pro 61)...Yeah grin .

Charlie Wrote <" The song was composed after reviewing the 'Make BIAB more useful to contemporary songwriters' post in the PG Music Wishlists Forum.
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=645362#Post645362>"

I just read Lazarus's post and agree with him 100%. I don't have the time or inclination to follow the entire thread but the gist of all this for myself is that biab needs to update and become more relevent or become "Bland in a box".
I have always, and continue , to love the Real People playing Real Instruments buisness model of biab, but unfortunatly that's not enough in todays "Hip Hop" (a wide generic term) world. Styles and RT's are easy to make so why is biab dragging the chain?

I have a library of my own particular favourite sounds that I made using biab's own usertrack template which are always "at hand" instead of having to search for endless thousands upon thousands of samples , patches ,plug ins and synth sounds . The purpose of said library is to have the perfect sound readily available when inspiration strikes. Question is : If I can make contemporary RT's (using biab's own template) , why can't biab? (Midi is another subject alltogether.)

I get Floyd's analogy of "people buying a car and expecting it to be a boat and/or an aeroplane" (not verbatim) but I would argue that simply adding contemporary Styles and RT's will not change your "car" but will only value add by increasing its user friendliness. Who wants a 10 year old drive without all the "bells and whistles" conectivity of a 2021 model?

Charlie Wrote <"Composition concepts were comprised from viewing and studying the techniques presented by Austin Hull videos">

Austin is a nice guy but his scatter gun videos are designed to sell his midi and plug in content and can leave one confused to say the least.

As an alternative may I suggest THIS GAL
She is all across ableton but most daws are similar

Thanks for allowing me into your thread Charlie.
I just don't want to see biab become Body In A Box
cheers
Gary.


Hi Gary. You can have a lot of fun experimenting with BIAB. You have the tools and hardware with your controller keyboard and the motivation and BIAB software suite to take your music into a modern direction.

My thinking about BIAB needing updating to stay relevant differs somewhat from yours. My point was to demonstrate that BIAB isn't bland and outdated at all. Just today forum member VideoTrack posted a link to a new sound library from Native Instruments re-introducing 25 of their classic synthesizers. There's likely not a song in the top 20 pop music charts today that doesn't include the sound of the Roland TR-808 Rhythm Composer. BIAB has that sound and likely most of the 25 synthesizers sounds too. Your ability to build your own library of unique and favorite sounds using UserTracks literally means that using BIAB in conjunction with your library makes BIAB as modern and updated as the caliber of your library. All that's needed to replicate, duplicate, create an 'in the style' of any of these songs that's been top ten for the last two years, is a MIDI file of that song and BIAB is able and ready to play it. Hip Hop, house, dance, EDM, Rap and similar genres, they are for all intent and purposes, completely MIDI based. BIAB has a tool to use a midi file to create a BIAB style from it.

For composition, in my opinion, all that's needed is the template folks like Austin Hull and Rachel Collier use to adapt them for use in BIAB.

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