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Just to throw some fuel on this topic, at one end you have guys like this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-changeYeah, I know, look at the source... but then look at the actual source (the guy it is about). This does nothing to help science. Quite the contrary. The article defeats its purpose. This is not an April Fools joke, look at the date.
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For sure. Actually Don McClean asked the question. Didn't exactly say it did.
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Just to throw some fuel on this topic,
at one end you have guys like this -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-change
Yeah, I know, look at the source... but then look at the actual source (the guy it is about).
This does nothing to help science. Quite the contrary. The article defeats its purpose.
This is not an April Fools joke, look at the date.
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I read the whole article, and the complete one that links to it.
Personally I think he's one of the few that actually has the balls to tell it like it is. To quote a few comments:
"Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change from radically impacting our lives over the coming decades".
"One of the main obstructions is modern democracy".
"Even the best democracies agree that when a major war approaches, democracy must be put on hold for the time being".
His comments will rile feathers, no doubt, but I'd have to agree that he's right.
We humans are so self-aggrandizing that we cant see what we're doing to the Earth.
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To answer the OP....no, it can not...and yes I watched the clip....  
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Yes it can and is starting to do so right now.... The Moral Brain I watched the whole vid too!
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Glen,
No argument that we are not making the earth any better. However, one of the main complaints on the other side is that the AGW movement is a grab for control, and outright saying what he said plays directly into their hand.
I personally think the incentive to cleaner energy has a great monetary reward, and in our history that has always been enough to get some great inventions. Giving up freedom for reassurance from the gubmint just doesn't sit well with a lot of folks..
Then there is the little problem of the non-democratic countires and their surging growth. So if we tax and restrict oil, etc, here - it will just make it cheaper for them. Their concern for the environment has not shown itself to be reliable, so I really question whether it would make an iota of difference, other than our surrendering the problems and associated freedoms.
Oh, and I found it a little condescending and insulting personally.
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Oh, and I found it a little condescending and insulting personally.
I read variations of the article on a couple of sources and I couldn't agree with you more.
It amazes me that so many refuse to acknowledge that the earth has always undergone "climate change". It always will.
Does this mean we shouldn't be good stewards of the earth? No. Does this mean we should devastate our economies to try control something that's beyond our control?
No.
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Oh, and I found it a little condescending and insulting personally.
I read variations of the article on a couple of sources and I couldn't agree with you more.
Does this mean we shouldn't be good stewards of the earth? No. Does this mean we should devastate our economies to try control something that's beyond our control?
No.
I would re-word the last statement thus: "Should we devastate the environment (and our economy) trying to do something that's beyond our control?"
Oops, we just did.
I've been following the Deepwater Horizon "issue", and it's extremely bothersome. And for some reason, I thought of this thread and the following:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-change
I'm wondering if James Lovelock was all that wrong. Which reminds me of something George Carlin said:
"think how stupid the average person is, and realize that half of them are stupider".
Sadly this may provide an insight into how this disaster came about.
If during the course of applying science and technology, we can't prevent disasters, how can science/technology answer the original question?
I have a friend (a banker) that thinks that technology will come up with an alternative to fossil fuels (oil) for powering our vehicles (airplanes, cars, trucks, busses). I suggested that his faith in technology is misplaced. The only country that has ships that aren't powered by oil is the USA. One of them was here in our harbour the past few days - quite a sight - USS Ronald Reagan - an aircraft carrier.
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