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With BIAB Win 2022 v912 on Windows 10
I am experiencing Unceremonious Exits. No message. Just Poof! Gone.
and I cannot find a log to provide more information.

Is there something that I can turn on to capture the issue before the Unceremonious Exit?

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I am also win10, 2022 912
I haven't encountered the disappearance for the time being, but occasionally there are some dialog errors.

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That WMP problem is totally unrelated and has been discussed in another thread. However, you might try the same remedy of Running BIAB As Administrator.

No diagnostic trick I know of in this case, but you might consider running MEMTEST on your RAM overnight, just to rule that out.

How much RAM do you have, and what else is running at the time? Does the unceremonious exit still occur if you reboot and then run only BIAB?

Does Windows ever crash, or just BIAB?

Did this just start?

Build 912 or earlier?

What were you doing at the time?

Did you change your audio driver, or did a recent Windows update make changes (it happens)?

Sorry - I ask all these annoying questions only to assist in diagnosing. You never know what will lead to the solution.

And “Poof, gone” is unfortunately a well-accepted Windows technical term, even if it is funny!!


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OK here goes

> How much RAM do you have
64G
> Does the unceremonious exit still occur if you reboot and then run only BIAB?
I rebooted and ran only BIAB and it happened again.
> Does Windows ever crash, or just BIAB?
Just BIAB. My Win machine has been very stable.

> Did this just start?
Yes. Since BIAB 2022 and v908 but more with v912

Question
Can I use [bb2022_win_update_build908] to go back

> What were you doing at the time?
It seems repeatable. Load a SGU song(75 bars).
Open Recent Styles load one, play and listen
(on repeating this cycle 1,2,3 times >>> Poof, Gone!

> Did you change your audio driver, or
I did NOT knowingly.

> did a recent Windows update make changes (it happens)?
Unclear how to be certain, the update page is highlevel.
On the surface It does not seem to have touched an audio driver.

Question
? What can I use or Where can I look to see more detail?

> Sorry - I ask all these annoying questions only to assist in diagnosing. You never know what will lead to the solution.

No No, Thank you. I take it as helpful good diagnostics.

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Can I use [bb2022_win_update_build908] to go back

Yes. You can revert to an earlier version using that method.


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I went back to the USB Drive and ran BIAB from there
It is v905

Open song the SGU song(75 bars) ( that I created)
Load Set of Recent Styles (that I have curated and saved)

pick a style
and it plays fine

pick another style
and it plays fine

pick another style Poof, Gone!

I have experimented with the sequence of the styles, it does not change the outcome. I conclude that it is not caused by a single style.

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I went back to the USB Drive for 2021 and ran BIAB from there
It is v814

repeated all of the steps, 12x style & play cycles

No Poof, Gone

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I wonder if you could just try several MIDI only styles vs. RealTracks only styles to see if/how it might be related to the audio setup on your system?


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Hmm. Thanks for the reply. Your answers are clear and I'm not getting any new ideas yet but I'll keep thinking.

It seems that it works OK in BIAB 2021. That's something.

I like VideoTrack's idea to refine the circumstances.

Even more, if you are willing, write down the exact steps and the exact styles you are using, so we can test it as well.


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Here is some more info and attached files I have created to describe my experience with the Unceremonious Exits. Just Poof! Gone.
1. I wonder if anyone else can reproduce this
2. I would like to find a way to log the BIAB program operation up to the exit.

I wrote (BIAB Poof Gone Steps.txt) to capture the steps that I take for each gone! I can repeat this over and over in BIAB2022(908 or 912). Sometimes it takes a couple style selections, sometimes 3+ style selections.

I have written previous that on the USB drive 2021(814) with a dozen style selections and no termination problems.

Rename the .m4a to a .zip file
it contains 6 files ( the Steps.txt file, the song file, the style set file and some diagnostic info)

thanks Roy

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I'm having the same issues in pro tools using the aax plugin..after one or two generations the whole thing crashes..seems to work OK standalone..
I haven't went to 912 yet..

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How to activate boot up log.

Ctrl+E opens Preference Settings

Enable log.

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Right Jim, I just did that
I get 99 row detailed list of the Boot up steps,
ending in BOOTUP LOG COMPLETE.

but that provides no insight to the UCE (UnCeremonious Exit)

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RoyReddy,

Does the log say anything about loading plugins?


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I appreciate the diagnostic assistance.
Yes there are plenty of rows about plugins, no error statements to my read.
I will attach the log here, in case you see something of interest.

also
-- FlashMessageLog.txt
Bootup was optimal, set to fast [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Bootup time in milliseconds =6,873 [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Time to scan unknown VST plugins = 4517 ms [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Time to scan known VST plugins = 8 ms [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Time to scan AU plugins = 0 ms [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Time to scan ALL plugins = 4525 ms [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
This function was sloww: 4,484ms. the function was :adding VST plugin: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\AmpliTube 3.dll [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\AmpliTube 3.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:15 PM]
Time to Count Plugins in ms =230. Plugins counted=42 [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:10 PM]
Scanning for plugins... [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:10 PM]
This function was sloww: 739ms. the function was :TBandWindowFormCreate 5.21 [2022.912.0, 2021-12-20 9:08:09 PM]
**** New Session started at : 2021-12-20 9:08:09 PM

there has been a system complaint about Amplitube since Nov 21, not new to 2022(912)
BIAB 2021 from the USB drive doesnt care about the Amplitube plugin

thnx RrR

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I installed the 912 version yesterday and I'm getting the standalone BIAB just quitting unceremoniously now too..
I'm hoping it's just that it's early days of the new version..

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This should be fixed in build 914. This build is still in pre-release testing, however if you would like you can download it from:
https://dl11.pgmusic.com/support/patch/bb2022_win_update_build914.exe

You can always install the previous patch if you run into any new problem.


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Very Nice!
so far in my 15minutes of exercising my repeat steps

I have NO Issues

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That new version is still bombing out in pro tools for me anyway..

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Choosing RealDrums continued to throw an error (sometimes crashing) for me even on build 914. PG support suggested that others who have had the problem reverted to build 905 and that worked for me. I hope they are able to fix this soon, as I don't want to be stuck on an older build and not be able to update.

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