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Ok, so I'm probably breaking some rule of PG's by posting this here, but I can't think of any other forum of theirs to place this. I just feel very strongly that reworking existing songs is the most fun to be had with BBox (and educating from an arranging standpoint), and if you ask me the rules should either be changed to accommodate, or they provide us with a forum for this very concept. So here you go (for however long till this gets taken down): Just CalledThere's only one BBox instrument, a Jazz Guitar "Solo-Accompaniment", rest is me.
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Your playing is outstanding. Great tone, pitch, expression... love the sound of the horn & flute. All it needs is a bass and brush kit...
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I suppose what any given arrangement "needs" is a matter of taste, and I will say the very minimalistic choice here is very much a deliberate one. I also wanted to test just how effectively this designated "solo-accompaniment" RT (emphasis on the prefix!) could really fill out a given piece of music on its own.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Ok, so I'm probably breaking some rule of PG's by posting this here It's at the top of the forum, in the "Forum Rules" section: The songs must be originals, no copyrighted or "cover" songs. You must have all of the rights to the songs.I just feel very strongly that reworking existing songs is the most fun to be had with BBox (and educating from an arranging standpoint), and if you ask me the rules should either be changed to accommodate, or they provide us with a forum for this very concept. The rules are in place because of copyright. If you don't have the rights to a song, you don't have the legal right make a version of the song, and PG Music doesn't have the right to host that song - no matter how much fun you had in the process of making it. "I Just Called To Say I Loved You" was written in 1984, so it won't be until at least 2054 before it gets into the public domain - perhaps even longer as copyright seems to be extended indefinitely.
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Ok, so I'm probably breaking some rule of PG's by posting this here The rules are in place because of copyright. If you don't have the rights to a song, you don't have the legal right make a version of the song, and PG Music doesn't have the right to host that song. Doesn't seem to stop the guys at youtube, but fair enuff. It's not like I'm about to argue when this gets taken down or anything (which I sort of expected anyway). At least I finally made something again...
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At least I finally made something again...
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You know what, I actually always felt that, despite its tremendous popularity, this was the lamest & most bland song Wonder ever made!  That's rather why I wanted to see if it couldn't be spruced up a bit.... only to be then informed I completely picked the wrong venue to present the result, but there it still is.
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There is no such thing as an “international copyright” that
will automatically protect an author’s writings throughout
the world. Protection against unauthorized use in a particular
country depends on the national laws of that country.
Having said that Iceland has an agreement with the United States.
Iceland · Berne (Paris) Sept. 7, 1947; UCC
Geneva Dec. 18, 1956; WTO Jan. 1, 1995
However unlikely it is that you will suffer any negative consequences for Copywrite infringement, it is certainly possible. The penalties can be quite severe and are occasionally enforced.
Website owners also have some legal liability for illegal content posted on their site although laws concerning these issues are often contested.
You can however easily obtain permission to do a cover song. It is not free but only cost around $15.00 US in most cases.
Many of us, both owners of copywrites, and users of copyrighted material are not happy with the current laws but they are on the books and need to be complied with however frustrating they may be.
I am not trying to tell you what you should do but just informing you of the possible consequences of your actions. I am not a music attorney and this is not legal advice.
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I am not trying to tell you what you should do...
Thing is, I as just a general user can't delete this thread by now even if I wanted to. I genuinely expected it to have been taken down by the moderators straight away, but it's been almost two days now and it's still up. Given the site's rules, I'm as surprised about that as anyone.
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Thing is, I as just a general user can't delete this thread by now even if I wanted to. Well, if you really want to, you can flag it for the mods to delete, and they will. Or just self-censor the naughty URL. Anyway, just to mention something I regard as problematic: The forum rules don't just prohibit copyright violations. They say, "You are allowed to post links to your own original songs." (emphasis added) This, of course, not only disallows copyright violations but use of public domain material as well, so strictly speaking I am a violator for linking to a "cover" of Beethoven's violin concerto. They also don't provide for the use of licensed copyrighted material, so even if I went to the trouble of getting the right to make a cover of this Stevie Wonder song I still wouldn't be allowed to post it here, under existing rules. Regarding the PD issue, I (and I assume anyone else) just goes "eh, they didn't mean that" and ignores the rule as they break it. Never a great state of affairs for a rule you want people to take seriously. And regarding the licensing issue, what incentive do I have to pay $15 to license my cover if the rules say that's still not allowed? (BTW, has anyone actually done that, licensed a song specifically to be able to post it here, and specified this in their post?) SUMMARY OF SUGGESTION:
Amend the forum rule to explicitly allow use of public domain and licensed copyrighted material. Thinking about it, I can almost guarantee this will result in more people paying that fee to do just that, which will be a good thing, yes? I personally have never had the slightest idea how to license a song. If it's really just $15, hey, I'll probably do it. AUXILIARY SUGGESTION:
Create a new forum for licensed covers, with a sticky post explaining how exactly to do this and what you need to put in your post to show you're in compliance.
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The forum rules don't just prohibit copyright violations. They say, "You are allowed to post links to your own original songs." (emphasis added) You're correct - AFAIK the goal is prevent copyright violation. Modifying the language to clarify that would be helpful, as would information on how to obtain rights. PG Music generally polices the forum with a light hand, and forum users tend to be the ones who remind people about the rules. I've seen people who have posted music that they don't own the copyright post the information about their license in the song post. People who have used Public Domain music often will say that as well. Janice and Bud come to mind. But the use of Public Domain songs can become complicated because the version that someone may think is under Public Domain may not be because it uses an altered melody or additional lyrics. The original material will place that particular version under copyright. So, for example, J&B will often include some history of the song, and an explanation of how their version is based on the PD version, and not a more contemporary version. Given the complexity of determining and demonstrating the rights to a song, it may be simpler to keep the prohibition as it is. But I think your suggestion is a good one.
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Given the complexity of determining and demonstrating the rights to a song, it may be simpler to keep the prohibition as it is. It's not PGs responsibility to make such determinations and demonstrations, though. They don't have to, they properly charge their users with that. I just covered (sort of) the traditional Irish tune "Star of the County Down", assuming the justification that it is public domain. Suppose, now, that Fever Ray decides to (unfairly!) accuse me of stealing their style for my version and goes on to accuse PG of being complicit in that infringement by allowing me to post a link to a Soundcloud recording of it. Well... at that unlikely point, PG can just delete my post. I'm saying, non-lawyer that I am, that I cannot see PG as opening itself to any legal liability by allowing public domain material, any more than they already are by allowing "original" material – which could, after all, always be plagiarized.
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