You were satisfied with your meal last night, so you don't need to eat today?
I get that this is a metaphor for your "hunger for knowledge", but the situations are very different. You have to keep eating, every day, or you'll die. On the other hand, if you ask a question, and people answer it, it can be helpful to keep track of that information for future use.
Originally Posted By: swingbabymix
Should you go to the hospital?
I saw that you said this to Bob but quickly deleted it, so I was surprised to see it again. Over here, we would say "take your Prozac" or something. It's considered rude.
I am a BIAB customer, I paid for it, I encountered some problems during use, I came to the forum to ask, this is a normal thing. What qualifications do you have to interrupt this communication? Even if I ask the question repeatedly, it's my right. I succeeded in exporting MP3 today, but not tomorrow. Can I ask? I'm not successful again next month, let me ask, can't I? who are you? Why do you always prevent our customers from communicating with BIAB normally? Are you the boss of BIAB?
Even if I ask the question repeatedly, it's my right.
Of course it is. It's also our right to walk away from your questions if we wish.
Most people on these fora are just ordinary people, like you, who have learned about the program and try to help. We often spend time trying to see what answer you need and trying to assure that we give an appropriate answer.
We have an expression in England, that probably has parallels elsewhere: "biting the hand that feeds you".
I also recognise that as you and we often work "in translation", that sometimes those translations say thing differently from what was meant.
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Even if I ask the question repeatedly, it's my right.
Of course it is. It's also our right to walk away from your questions if we wish.
It doesn't matter if you don't answer. The problem is that some people don't discuss the problem, but restrict the behavior of others like managers. I don't know who gave him such power. Or is he working at BIAB, specifically responsible for preventing others from communicating.
Question: Is this alignment issue occurring on the main BiaB program or the DAW plugin?
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It think if you go back to the origial thread reference at the beginning, this is BIAB audio tracks moved to a DAW or, for all I know, this could be a screen shot from BIAB audio editing window. I can't tell for sure.
Having said that, and just guessing, I think something is wrong with the track timing. If I saw those hits off the grid beat I would investigate.
Dan, I agree, but I'm just trying to make sure we're all on the same page. There may be some advice that has a separate relevance? I don't now for sure.
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I don’t know if it was mentioned yet but it’s perfectly normal for some instruments to slip in ahead of others. In my Brazilian jazz songs, the guitar always enters early. And of course there’s the drums, affected by the settings in Count-in/Metronome.
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Ya Matt, of course that makes sense. Its just I have never seen it in BIAB audio. Perhaps Swing could provide the actual BIAB style so we could verify at the source.
I made a song, just a C chord in the style below. I exported the audio to Logic and took this screenshot. The "misalignment" is perfectly normal – remember, we're looking at differences of a fraction of a second.
****** Song Summary ************* Key=C, Tempo 60 Style is _SLOWBAL.STY RealTracks in style: ~732:Bass, Acoustic, Jazz Ballad Sw 060 RealTracks in style: ~742:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Jazz Ballad Sw 060 RealDrums in Style: JazzTerryClarke^02-a,b:Brushes
AFAICS, the fundamental issue is that SBM wants the audio "strictly aligned with the beat" for his modern electronic music, but I believe he's often he's using RealTrack which often will not do that. Real musicians put their own expression into the playing, louder of softer, ahead or behind the beat, with pitch bends or not, grace notes & flams and so on. SBM appears to want those musicians to play to his rigid timing, but mostly those musicians neither can nor will play to perfect time.
I've watched so many "modern electronic music" creators and even when they record MIDI, usually the first thing they do is quantize it. Instant rigid timing.
I think there may well be a fundamental disconnect in expectations here. Most(?) of us want natural-sounding music, SBM wants rigid timing.
SBM can get his rigid timing by cropping the leading sound, or by sliding the sounds, or by using quantized MIDI, but he wants BiaB to do that for him "out of the box".
If PGM include further modern styles that may well happen on those styles, but it probably should not do that to non-modern-dance styles. They're different from natural playing and, IMHO, they must stay different.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think not.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 01/13/2204:21 AM.
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I made a song, just a C chord in the style below. I exported the audio to Logic and took this screenshot. The "misalignment" is perfectly normal – remember, we're looking at differences of a fraction of a second.
****** Song Summary ************* Key=C, Tempo 60 Style is _SLOWBAL.STY RealTracks in style: ~732:Bass, Acoustic, Jazz Ballad Sw 060 RealTracks in style: ~742:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Jazz Ballad Sw 060 RealDrums in Style: JazzTerryClarke^02-a,b:Brushes
OK, that makes perfect sense. I examined this style and while the time can be expanded to a large degree to show the "off timing", this is just natural. In other words, this is not quantized and maintains a very human feel.
SBM can get his rigid timing by cropping the leading sound, or by sliding the sounds, or by using quantized MIDI, but he wants BiaB to do that for him "out of the box".
It would be unseemly of me to post a link, but at this point in the past, discussion turned to audio quantization. It's clear that this is what he wants, for BIAB to slide audio around to align it.
He says he expected BIAB 2022 to have such a feature, so perhaps someone can speak to that specific question.
This is probably slightly crossed wires or similar, but I would interpret that to mean the quantising to a bit value effect of conversion of an analogue signal to a digital signal, which is not what I meant. What I meant was that the software adjusts all MIDI notes to be precisely on the beat timing.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 01/13/2206:51 AM.
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This is probably slightly crossed wires or similar, but I would interpret that to mean the quantising to a bit value effect of conversion of an analogue signal to a digital signal, which is not what I meant. What I meant was that the software adjusts all MIDI notes to be precisely on the beat timing.
I was using the term as it was used in the 2021 thread, to refer to that same kind of alignment, but for audio instead of MIDI.
I was using the term as it was used in the 2021 thread, to refer to that same kind of alignment, but for audio instead of MIDI.
OK, I found that and I see what you mean. I think there's an ambiguity in the use of the term. The videos I watched are, as you say, changing the alignment of the audio signal beat to match the system beat timing.
We do mean to achieve the same outcome, audio beats precisely aligned on the timing beats.
Personally, as an electronics engineer, I think "audio quantisation" is the wrong term, for various reasons that it's better to just skip over. I'll try to remember that the expression may used differently in a musical timing context.
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SONAR had a term they used for this, to align disparate tracks so the beats match up. That function is quite apart from whether those tracks start at exactly the same time.
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SONAR had a term they used for this, to align disparate tracks so the beats match up,
"AudioSnap"?
Logic has "Flex Time", which I've used to sync its robot drummer to a recorded human performance. The obvious way is to vary the robot tempo to track the human, but one could also "dehumanize" the recording by forcing it to track the robot.
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