thanks i will look into all that. So far i have re seated the cards a couiple times in different configs, and not the sound card is back on 10 with nothing but the USB host with it and it seems to be fine. There is nto halting, and no studdering. I also place the "C" drive on IDE 1 and the "D" drive on IDE 2 that seemed to speed the process up tremedously. Now i need to find out how to shut down automatic updates completely it is the only nag i still get.

I also removed the Network card as i do not use it at all. If i need to add something i move it with a flash or small external hard drive.

HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.