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They seem popular as they have had a couple of views anyway 1,329,054,760 views That might get PG thinking with some ideas.
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Mark, that is trying on the patience, I concur.
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... and it's far from the only one.
Of course the flavour may be due to the translation tool, though capitals are capitals.
I suspect in part that we each get tired and irritated at the other, particularly where translation issues and communication issues add to the already potentially fraught environment of text medium.
Something said innocently in one language may appear a quite different tone, or indeed even a different meaning, in another.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
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Maybe it's just me...
But I think the elephant in the room is that first PG team needs to vigorously groom software (fix/clean/consolidate/and tune workflow), then worry about hip "styles". So if styles arrive, kids would know what to do, and would not be turned off by complexity and workflow issues that require tricky workarounds. By kids I mean someone 15-25. You want to make something for kids, you have to think like a kid.
I installed Garageband for my son yesterday... He plays piano, but he never touched anything related to music making software before. He is already making some multitrack arrangements. That was yesterday evening... He is 11.
On the bright side, I think BIAB is very capable to do most of what constitutes "modern music" and can add much more to fusion that is very unique to PG music which is not found to this extent in other software, which are professional performances in bread & butter genres on real instruments.
But again, it would take a will and thought to make software appealing to those musicians who these "styles" are targeted for. Most of us accept compromises because we dived in deep and know the real value. I think it would be hard to "convince" someone with less patience unless workflow improves, menus consolidated, issues addressed.
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So if styles arrive, kids would know what to do, and would not be turned off by complexity and workflow issues that require tricky workarounds. By kids I mean someone 15-25. You want to make something for kids, you have to think like a kid. Hey, I'm way over 25 and am also turned off by complexity and workflow issues that require tricky workarounds. It's not like I learn some ghastly BIAB hack to accomplish a simple thing and think, ah, now this is the way software should be. If anything I'm less able to learn that kind of crap than I used to be. Modernity in software is a very, very different thing from modernity in music.
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Mark, "Modernity in software is a very, very different thing from modernity in music." Yes and no. Kids who are making modern music are accustomed to easy workflow within modern software they are using. "and am also turned off by complexity and workflow issues that require tricky workarounds." If you are still here, that means you have patience and ability to compromise 
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I also like this kind of music scene, full of emotion. The main reason is that the music application scenarios are different, and sometimes some simple, fast, and jumpy accompaniments are needed to highlight the vocals. I hope BIAB can come up with some simple and fast styles in addition to the band feel.
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1. Open StylePicker, type Shape of You in the Song Titles field and press Enter.
2. Audition the first few styles, chose "SELEKT.STY
3. Typed in the four chords into the first two bars of the song C#m F#m A B.
4. Since the song is just a 4 chord loop, you can just repeat chords (you can use hotkeys like "k" (Quick Copy). Adjusted tempo.
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thanks. You will find that these most popular music is not complicated. Just a great drum and bass, some electronic melody. It sounds great with the vocals. If I choose the BIAB style, and I turn off the guitar, the piano, it doesn't give me that feeling either. Because BIAB's drums and bass don't feel that way. BIAB's drums and bass are more of a band feel. From a software development point of view, why not make some of the most popular content at the moment, isn't it good for sales? This is how I currently use BIAB. When I have an idea, I put chords in BIAB to find the feel. when i determined the chords. I will use other music software to edit and produce by myself. If, in the middle, I need a little real instrument, I might use BIAB to generate it. In fact, I think BIAB has a lot of styles similar to the band. If it is convenient, do you have some simple styles that are closer to modern music styles? People who don't like it can not buy it.
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Mark, "Modernity in software is a very, very different thing from modernity in music." Yes and no. Kids who are making modern music are accustomed to easy workflow within modern software they are using. "and am also turned off by complexity and workflow issues that require tricky workarounds." If you are still here, that means you have patience and ability to compromise We do not analyze from age and love of music. I'm just talking about how I feel about the production process. For example, a drum and bass can let me sing, and let others dance along, I think it's fine. If you put 2 guitars in at the same time, the feeling changes. Currently, BIAB's styles are basically guitars from start to finish. When I removed the guitar, BIAB's drums and bass feel, it's also the feel of the band, not the feel of modern music. So, I just used drums and bass from other companies. When I need a guitar in a chorus position, I might use BIAB to generate a guitar section. This will cause a problem, that is, the number of BIAB openings will continue to decrease. Because there are still many excellent guitars, pianos VST So, I was thinking, why didn't BIAB do something about it? In fact, it is enough to do more demos that are in line with modern music. Shouldn't be difficult, right? All the styles of BIAB now are the feeling of the band, and I like it very much. Wouldn't it be better if you made more modern styles?
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Kids who are making modern music are accustomed to easy workflow within modern software they are using. As, I'm sure, are dental students who make sealing wax as a hobby! It has nothing to do with their taste in music! Modernity in software is, or should be, an unqualifiedly good thing. Modern software is better because it works better. Modernity in music, at any point in history, is just that particular phase in musical history. It's not a one-way evolutionary path of continuous improvement, it's just what was happening RIGHT THEN. Good Lord, pity the "modern" composer of 100 years ago who was taught that serialism had rendered everything else obsolete.
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The music style is definitely not to put a guitar strum, put a guitar broken chord on it.
Modern music has very detailed requirements for the position and appearance of drums and bass.
Why does it make people want to move?
Why does everyone like it?
It's all there for a reason.
If anyone tells me it's me who has misunderstood BIAB software.
The BIAB software itself is just a playing software for practicing guitar, so we don't need to discuss it.
But deep down, I feel a little pity. It was as if the ball went in with a light kick, but striker BIAB didn't take that kick.
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As, I'm sure, are dental students who make sealing wax as a hobby! It has nothing to do with their taste in music!
Modernity in software is, or should be, an unqualifiedly good thing. Modern software is better because it works better.
Modernity in music, at any point in history, is just that particular phase in musical history. It's not a one-way evolutionary path of continuous improvement, it's just what was happening RIGHT THEN.
Good Lord, pity the "modern" composer of 100 years ago who was taught that serialism had rendered everything else obsolete. I find you are very good at channeling any topic into emotions and feelings. People try to show that they are right, which can turn the conversation into an argument. waste time. I think there is actually a specific thing behind every topic. Since there are specific things, they can be solved slowly. If we can return to the question of BIAB's style, I don't think it's a bad thing for BIAB's future.
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I find you are very good at channeling any topic into emotions and feelings.
People try to show that they are right, which can turn the conversation into an argument.
waste time. Sorry you don't like it, Mr. Mix, but I was pointing out that consideration of historical attitudes regarding the value of "modernity" might be instructive. A sensitive subject, for sure, but I did try to keep my emotions under control.
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Good Lord, pity the "modern" composer of 100 years ago who was taught that serialism had rendered everything else obsolete. Let's talk about specific things right now. First: How many people in the world now open YouTube in the morning to find a song from 100 years ago. Second: If you see a song from 100 years ago being played at an event, and young people dancing to the music from 100 years ago, are you happy or sad? Third: Even if few people listen, it cannot shake the value of music 100 years ago. We do not deny the past, but we must also pay attention to the present. Otherwise, how can we progress. It's a good thing to find problems, solve them, and let more people use them.
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Mark, not very sure what you getting at.
Are you saying what I mentioned is not true?
"Kids who are making modern music are accustomed to easy workflow within modern software they are using."
Modern mainstream "popular" music heavily depends on sampled loops, synths, arpeggios and virtual drum machines with their controller counter parts.
If we are not talking about modern "popular" music, but specifically about modern music, that calls for another discussion. OP posted links for "popular" mainstream music, so forgive me if I used word "modern". No need for polemics, as I did not present my views as argument, more of an observation.
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"The BIAB software itself is just a playing software for practicing guitar, so we don't need to discuss it."
Very interesting conclusion.
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If we can return to the question of BIAB's style, I don't think it's a bad thing for BIAB's future.
Maybe Reason might be better for you, not BIAB. It's geared more toward what you seem to be looking for. I don't think BIAB will ever get to do what YOU in particular are looking for. https://www.malavida.com/en/soft/reason/Apparently, your FL Studio doesn't do the trick. Reason would be many steps up from FL Studio and BIAB will probably never get to a "Reason" comparable music creation software.
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Sorry you don't like it, Mr. Mix, but I was pointing out that consideration of historical attitudes regarding the value of "modernity" might be instructive. A sensitive subject, for sure, but I did try to keep my emotions under control.
It's just a matter of hoping BIAB comes out with some modern STYLE. With modern styles, the styles of the past can still be opened. At present, I have all the styles of BIAB, and there are many favorites in it. When I listened to almost all the styles of BIAB, I felt that I could do something.
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Maybe Reason might be better for you, not BIAB. It's geared more toward what you seem to be looking for. I don't think BIAB will ever get to do what YOU in particular are looking for. https://www.malavida.com/en/soft/reason/Apparently, your FL Studio doesn't do the trick. Reason would be many steps up from FL Studio and BIAB will probably never get to a "Reason" comparable music creation software. REASON I haven't tried it. I'm opening FL STUDIO less frequently now, because FL STUDIO hasn't worked very hard these years, and it's inconvenient in many places, especially his PLAYLIST and recording. I use STUDIO ONE a lot now However, as time went on, I felt more and more that it wasn't the software that was the problem, it was my IQ. Whenever I hear good music, I dance to it first, and then when I sit in front of the computer, I realize that my IQ is not good enough. 
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EXPERT status is awarded, over time and amongst other things, for consistent assistance, exemplary use and regular posting. It is also awarded, quickly, for persistent posting, frequent inanities and the inability to use the manual.
Popular music is a matter of fashion then habit.
POP music is a matter of popularity on the one hand and a certain style relating to an era in history on the other.
Popular music frequently moves with technological innovation &/or heavy promotion.
BIAB midi can be used to play other samples - perceiving crippling limitations so early on in a person's experience with a musical thing suggests more about the person than the thing.
The currently over exuberant "youth" will, soon enough, be, in all likelihood, stuck in a doof doof rut built on a combination or familiarity, exposure, nostalgia and personal taste.
As Elvis Costello, (remember when he was the aggressive, hand biting leading edge of New Wave), wrote & sang:
"History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies the same defeats
Keep your finger on important issues
With crocodile tears and a pocketful of tissues
I'm just the oily slick
On the windup world of the nervous tick
In a very fashionable hovel
I hang around dying to be tortured
You'll never be alone in the bone orchard
This battle with the bottle is nothing so novel
So in this almost empty gin palace
Through a two-way looking glass
You see your Alice"
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EXPERT status is awarded, over time and amongst other things, for consistent assistance, exemplary use and regular posting. It is also awarded, quickly, for persistent posting, frequent inanities and the inability to use the manual.
Popular music is a matter of fashion then habit.
POP music is a matter of popularity on the one hand and a certain style relating to an era in history on the other.
Popular music frequently moves with technological innovation &/or heavy promotion.
BIAB midi can be used to play other samples - perceiving crippling limitations so early on in a person's experience with a musical thing suggests more about the person than the thing.
The currently over exuberant "youth" will, soon enough, be, in all likelihood, stuck in a doof doof rut built on a combination or familiarity, exposure, nostalgia and personal taste.
As Elvis Costello, (remember when he was the aggressive, hand biting leading edge of New Wave), wrote & sang:
"History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies the same defeats
Keep your finger on important issues
With crocodile tears and a pocketful of tissues
I'm just the oily slick
On the windup world of the nervous tick
In a very fashionable hovel
I hang around dying to be tortured
You'll never be alone in the bone orchard
This battle with the bottle is nothing so novel
So in this almost empty gin palace
Through a two-way looking glass
You see your Alice" Maybe it's not that complicated, it's just a matter of song style. These are two old songs that I like both. But I will feel that this song will be modern and my favorite song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExYIt's good too, but I feel a little old https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpqqjU7u5YcBecause I don't understand the lyrics at all, I'm just speaking from the feel. I prefer Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive
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