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I was really waiting to hear your first work on Solaria. I had heard some examples and they sounded better than any other synthesized vocalist. So I was bit disappointed that I couldn't hear her singing alone all the time, but what I can hear, it is simply amazing, you have done very good work already with her (that vibrato is really sweet...). Very catchy chorus, the drums are really nice there and the chord progression is to my taste, sounds bit like a Kylie duet. There is something going on the left channel I don't like, but otherwise everything works well. Nice lyrics, the chorus part is really memorable and it keeps the hazy/dreamy verses together. BTW. Based on the lyrics, I was expecting to see swallows in the picture, not sparrows  Great work, I admire your detailed work. But more Solaria songs, please Janne
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The first singer enters astonishingly human, to the point of sounding like a distinctly flawed human singer (believe it or not I mean this in a good way) That's the AI "auto-tune" feature at work. I sort of prefer the version that sounds like plain old "auto-tune", but adding imperfections helps sell the performance. So "AI autotune" is like MIDI humanization? This is interesting, what are the parameters of human imperfection you can fiddle with? However, I've become stupidly fond of this version, so... probably not going to happen. Of course! I was going to say, but after all that, they're all your children. In fact, I think I got that from you. =8^) I've gone back and re-done the male vocal a bit. It's not a huge improvement, but it's just a bit better if you squint and apply a whole lot of confirmation bias. Hey, it sounds substantially better to me. Do I hear more vibrato there? I am honored to have possibly contributed in that small way, I enjoy this thing more each time I listen.
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You have really piqued my interest in vocal AI tech.
i stupidly hadnt realised it had come so far. You can only keep track of so many things at a time! Is there any chance you could do a mini teach-in on these
Pg forums how you use this tech with biab/rb etc? I'll give it some thought. My workflow is: - Generate the backing tracks in BiaB.
- Export a single backing track in SynthesizerV
- Create the melody in SynthesizerV
- Export the melody as a .wav file
- Create a mix in my DAW
When I go back into SynthesizerV to edit the vocals, I just re-render the vocals. Because it renders using the same .wav file name, it "magically" appears in my DAW with the new version. Your DAW may behave differently. Like BiaB, SynthesizerV doesn't store the audio, so it regenerates the audio when it loads up. That can take a minute when working with a full song with multiple voices. So I generally leave SynthesizerV running so I can toggle over to it without any startup time delays. SynthesizerV also works as a VSTi, but I believe it requires the full version. I find it easiest to work in the non-VSTi version, although I haven't really spent much time trying to get it to work. My DAW is already creaking with the number of VSTis that are loaded into projects, so I figure it's safer to split up the work. You could also import a MIDI file of the melody created by BiaB if you wanted, but BiaB inserts small gaps between melody notes, and the MIDI import feature in SynthesizerV leaves something to be desired. The last time I tried it, a bunch of invisible (because they were so small) notes were created, and it was a real pain to delete them all... partly because they were invisible!  So I find it simpler to just build the melody in the full version of the program. In my case i would like to use femme back up vocs carefully crafted ....
To be as natural as possible bcos i cant afford live femme session vocallists..
You are very adept at using the tech and i feel lots of pg users might become interested As this vocal tech developes further. In the meantime, here is link to the tutorial videos put out by the company. Feel free to send me a text if you've got any questions. Their website is pretty awful and confusing. The free version of the software supports two voices and one backing track, which is more than enough for most of my projects. The full version of the software has a lot of neat features, but I'd start with the free version to make sure the software does what you want. There are also a number of free "Lite" versions of the voices, not all of which are listed on their website. Thanks!
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You're so clever with these synths, David.
Maybe the drums could be tamed a little but that's probably just my taste.
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Man, that's really cool contrapuntal melodies. Hi, Marty. That's one of the advantages of having a synthetic singer. I used to have to work the parts out using MIDI in my DAW, sing them with the MIDI, and then pitch correct them. Now I can just work out the parts, and skip the "learn and sing the parts" phase.  I like how it starts right out with vocal, and the way you build it to a boil. Thanks. I have a tendency to write verses and choruses that sound similar, so I'm trying figure out how to write a "proper" chorus. That's one of my goals for this year. The vocals may seem "flawed" by many, but I think it's amazing technology and you use it so well. This is a good song. Very entertaining. As long as the vocal synthesis doesn't get in the way of enjoying the song, it's a success!
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You're so clever with these synths, David.
Maybe the drums could be tamed a little but that's probably just my taste. Hi, Vic. Thanks for the feedback! I'm going to try to get my son take a pass at the mix tomorrow. They are a bit loud, and it's sometimes hard to tell where the right balance is.
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I was really waiting to hear your first work on Solaria. I had heard some examples and they sounded better than any other synthesized vocalist. So I was bit disappointed that I couldn't hear her singing alone all the time, but what I can hear, it is simply amazing, you have done very good work already with her (that vibrato is really sweet...). Hi, Janne. All right, I'll see if I can put out a solo version so you can hear it without the harmony. The original harmony was initially just going to be simple "Oooohs" and "Aaaaahs", but the backup singer decided to try stealing the spotlight.  Very catchy chorus, the drums are really nice there and the chord progression is to my taste, sounds bit like a Kylie duet. Thanks! One of my daughters said it was the first song I did that actually sort of sounded like a real song, so I guess I did something right.  There is something going on the left channel I don't like, but otherwise everything works well. I'll have a closer listen to the left channel - I thought I heard something the last time I mixed it, but I stupidly put off looking at it more closely. It's likely to be one of the guitars that's mixed low, but still poking out in places it shouldn't. Is there a particular place in the song you can point me to? BTW. Based on the lyrics, I was expecting to see swallows in the picture, not sparrows Ha! I figured I'd get called out on that because I was too lazy to check which birds were in the picture. Well done!  I picked the swallow because it appears in the story "The Happy Prince" by Oscar Wilde. In some ways, this song is the opposite of that story. Great work, I admire your detailed work. But more Solaria songs, please I'll see what I can do! I'm hoping that Cangqiong gets the latest AI upgrade, because that's the voice I'm really looking forward to using. Plus, the English male voice, once it finally gets released. Thanks for the feedback!
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An excellent listen. A good write. Hi, floyd jane. Thanks! That (for me) is the most important bit, and I especially appreciate that coming from you. The instrumentation is exceptional. Drums and Bass dominate with just the right amount of coloring from other instruments - the classic Pop formula, done to perfection!
The mix is solid. Again, great to hear! I think I mentioned elsewhere that I'm going to see if I can be more "pop" this year, so it's good to know I've started right. You keep notching those singers higher with each new song. Impressive. The female vocalist is the latest voice to be released. She's the first American English singer, and I think that comes through. Plus, the vocals are getting more natural with each release. So I don't think I can take all the credit here... but I'll take a bit of credit, anyway. LOVE!!! the chorus!!!
...with one caveat.
The last line "leaves you hanging". It's too short. I'm sure you're right. When I put the song together (even before the lyrics), I had left off the introduction and the ending, figuring that I'd get around to them eventually. I really liked the way the song just started out with a bang - not even a drum fill - so I left that "As Is". But I was still puzzled as to what to do with the ending. As it is, there's no bridge or instrumental, and the song feels short. But... I didn't think there was anything left to say, so I was sort of at a loss what to do. Repeating the chorus again felt a bit lazy. When I just cut the song off, I thought that it worked within the context of the lyrics. So I'm not deeply tied to this particular ending, and I suspect simply wanting to be done with this had more to do with that decision than anything else. So I'm certainly open to the idea of reworking the ending. I NEVER make songwriting suggestions to people (I view this forum to be about production, not songwriting)...BUT...
I wanted that last line to continue/extend...simply repeat it..
"It's time to fly... time to fly....fly...."
(and that last "fly" could be "echo-y") That sounds like a production suggestion to me, not a songwriting suggestion. And songwriting suggestions are accepted, too. I have a habit of tweaking lyrics even after a song is posted (for example, I removed "dear", although I'm not sure it was an improvement). I'm usually too stubbornly wedded to my own ideas to accept lyric changes from other people, but it helps me understand what did or didn't work. Thanks! 
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So "AI autotune" is like MIDI humanization? This is interesting, what are the parameters of human imperfection you can fiddle with? It's trained on the singer's singing, so the "auto-tune" actually applied pitch styling based on the original singer. The only parameter that it modifies is pitch deviation. That makes sense, because other parameters would be really hard to extract. The parameters are: - Improvisation (Slider)
- Singing Style - Vibrato 1 (Slider)
- Singing Style - Vibrato 2 (Slider)
- Singing Style - Overshoot (Slider)
- Random Seed (Integer)
- Enable Pitch Correction (Toggle switch)
In true Dreamtonics fashion, what "Vibrato 1" and "Vibrato 2" mean is anyone's guess. There's no documentation on it. Of course! I was going to say, but after all that, they're all your children. In fact, I think I got that from you. =8^) I'll probably put out a solo version anyway. The main issue was that I'd re-adjusted bits of the song with the expectation that the harmony was there, so I'd have to make some changes to the mix and singing before posting that. Hey, it sounds substantially better to me. Do I hear more vibrato there? I am honored to have possibly contributed in that small way, I enjoy this thing more each time I listen.
Yes, there's more vibrato, as well as AI-generated "improvisation". I also tweaked the vocal so on the lower notes it leans less to the "male" gender and added some more volume and tension, because it's weak down there. I really hadn't intended it to be so up front as it currently is, but I tend to make do that with my counter-lines. One of these days I'll learn to do normal harmony, but it's much less fun. I also modified the final cadence so, with the voices in unison at the end. I think it's a stronger sound than having them split on harmony. And each time you listen, you've probably heard a slightly different version, as I've been making other small tweaks along the way. Thanks!
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Amazing tune. Really loved the vocal interplay. Can only imagine how much work that was. Well done.
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My goodness David, you've got a lot going on in this! I absolutely love that mellow classic rock vibe going on in here! This is a lovely tune! Very nice with the vocals and that little rhythmic change up is very effective! I think this is my fav of yours! Thanks, Torrey
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Quite a complex production.
I like the way it picks up the energy in spots.
You've really got those singers working for you.
well done!
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I think you do fantastic work and this one is no exception. The lyrics are great. The fact that it's AI singing them only makes the song more thrilling for me. Everything is well done. Too bad you can't do a video showing the girls from your stable singing the song. I think it would be a bit hit.
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Cool song. If I had any critical comment it would be that I thought the drums were too busy on the hook and IMHO got in the way of the vocalist. However, you're doing an amazing job with Synths and AI !!
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Amazing tune. Really loved the vocal interplay. Can only imagine how much work that was. Well done. Thanks, Scott!
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My goodness David, you've got a lot going on in this! I absolutely love that mellow classic rock vibe going on in here! This is a lovely tune! Very nice with the vocals and that little rhythmic change up is very effective! I think this is my fav of yours! Hi, Torrey! Thanks! I was trying to avoid the "classic rock" vibe by using some of the other elements, but I suspect it's just too deeply ingrained. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. I'm happy to hear this venture into pop territory worked for you.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Quite a complex production.
I like the way it picks up the energy in spots.
You've really got those singers working for you.
well done! Thanks, Cap'n! I appreciate the positive feedback!
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Too bad you can't do a video showing the girls from your stable singing the song. I think it would be a big hit. Thanks, Sean. But creating that "illusion of life" with vocals is enough for me.  I appreciate you stopping by to comment!
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Cool song. If I had any critical comment it would be that I thought the drums were too busy on the hook and IMHO got in the way of the vocalist. However, you're doing an amazing job with Synths and AI !! Thanks, Henry. It's a valid criticism. I'd like to take another pass through the song later this week, and I'll add that to my "to do" list. I'm glad you stopped by!
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Lovely song David.
These artificial voices sound so great nowadays.
Nothing wrong with some La-la-la's every now and then.
We also used UJAM sometimes, such a pity they stopped.
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