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Re: VSTi ... removing the MIDI patch? Gordon Scott #707165 03/02/22 11:39 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,506 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott OP Veteran
OP Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,506 Hampshire, UK	An update on this. I've never really gotten to the bottom of what was happening, but I did some more experimenting involving lots of trying to find out why BiaB was not recognising VSTSynthFont64 as a valid VST, without any convincing conclusion. However, doing lots of trial VST scans, many of which resulted in crashed BiaB and removed VST exclusions reappearing, even after saving, exiting and restarting BiaB, looking into the flash message logs and trying to see what was changing, I tried removing another Synth/tool location (SynthFont2) from the scan, obscuring the VSTSynthFont64 that was giving the problem by appending a .bk and ensuring that BiaB looked at the copy in its own bb/Data/libx64 folder. That now was recognised and worked. I then obscured it similarly and copied an unobscured new version also into the bb/Data/libx64. I tried again and again it recognised it and used it. I'm now able to set VSTSynthFont64 as the VSTi/DXi Synth in the MIDI/Audio setup windows and things now work as they should. The default synth works, I don't get two instruments on tracks with plugins. I attach extracts of before and after Flash Message logs if anyone at PGM thinks it's worth digging further. Oh good grief ... even text files are blocked :-( Quote: Flash Log, fail extract: Bootup was optimal, set to fast [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Bootup time in milliseconds =2,341 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Time to scan unknown VST plugins = 3 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Time to scan known VST plugins = 6 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Time to scan AU plugins = 0 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Time to scan ALL plugins = 9 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Time to Count Plugins in ms =142. Plugins counted=21 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] Scanning for plugins... [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:47:54] ** New Session started at : 02/03/2022 18:47:54 Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins\VSTSynthFont64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\wasapi64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\vorbisfile.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\vorbisenc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\vorbis.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\sfArkDLL.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\ogg.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\MACDll.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libvorbisfile64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libvorbis64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libmp4v2x64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libmp4v2.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libFLAC64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libFLAC.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libfaac.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\lame_enc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\lameDLL64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\faaclib64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VirtualMIDISynth\bassmidi.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VirtualMIDISynth\bassenc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VirtualMIDISynth\bass.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Kontakt\REX Shared Library.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Kontakt\REX Shared Library 64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Creator Tools\qtANGLE.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Creator Tools\d3dcompiler_47.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\VirtualMIDISynth\bassmidi.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\VirtualMIDISynth\bassenc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\VirtualMIDISynth\bass.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:46:57] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins\VSTSynthFont64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\wasapi64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\vorbisfile.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\vorbisenc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\vorbis.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\sfArkDLL.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\ogg.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\MACDll.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libvorbisfile64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libvorbis64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libmp4v2x64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libmp4v2.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libFLAC64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libFLAC.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\libfaac.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\lame_enc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\lameDLL64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\SynthFont2\faaclib64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VirtualMIDISynth\bassmidi.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VirtualMIDISynth\bassenc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\VirtualMIDISynth\bass.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Kontakt\REX Shared Library.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Kontakt\REX Shared Library 64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Creator Tools\qtANGLE.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\Native Instruments\Creator Tools\d3dcompiler_47.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\VirtualMIDISynth\bassmidi.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\VirtualMIDISynth\bassenc.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\Samples\VirtualMIDISynth\bass.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:43:15] Bootup was optimal, set to fast [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Bootup time in milliseconds =2,278 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Time to scan unknown VST plugins = 3 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Time to scan known VST plugins = 6 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Time to scan AU plugins = 0 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Time to scan ALL plugins = 9 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Time to Count Plugins in ms =140. Plugins counted=21 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] Scanning for plugins... [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:40:57] New Session started at : 02/03/2022 18:40:57 Quote: Flash Log, works extract: The MIDI THRU part played by you on MIDI keyboard (& QWERTY keyboard wizard) will now use the MIDI Driver DURING PLAYBACK (not a DxI synth). Note: If using ASIO, this setting is ignored [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:02:57] _CLTREEL.STY is a RealTracks style that is available to sub for this MIDI style, with better sounds. Click here to load the style (or Press RealTracks button- Find Replacement to load it in or change options). [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:02:12] The MIDI THRU part played by you on MIDI keyboard (& QWERTY keyboard wizard) will now use the MIDI Driver DURING PLAYBACK (not a DxI synth). Note: If using ASIO, this setting is ignored [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:30] Bootup was optimal, set to fast [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:20] Bootup time in milliseconds =2,660 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:20] Time to scan unknown VST plugins = 2 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:19] Time to scan known VST plugins = 7 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:19] Time to scan AU plugins = 0 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:19] Time to scan ALL plugins = 9 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:19] Time to Count Plugins in ms =113. Plugins counted=21 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:19] Scanning for plugins... [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 19:01:19] New Session started at : 02/03/2022 19:01:19 The MIDI THRU part played by you on MIDI keyboard (& QWERTY keyboard wizard) will now use the MIDI Driver DURING PLAYBACK (not a DxI synth). Note: If using ASIO, this setting is ignored [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:58:37] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\ZipLib64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:58:15] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\Ptw2^E.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:27] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\portaudio_x64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:27] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\MediaInfo.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:27] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\lic0764.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\libsndfile64bit.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\libmediatoolsXPx64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\libmediatoolsx64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\libfastdsp.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\gp5.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\fretlightLibx64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\elastiqueHarmony.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\dllelastiquePro3.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\dllelastiquePro.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\BBWRES2.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\bbwdll25.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Error: Could not connect to plugin (F:\bb\Data\libx64\bbwdll24.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly. [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:57:26] Bootup was optimal, set to fast [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:35] Bootup time in milliseconds =3,760 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:35] Time to scan unknown VST plugins = 3 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:33] Time to scan known VST plugins = 6 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:33] Time to scan AU plugins = 0 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:33] Time to scan ALL plugins = 9 ms [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:33] Time to Count Plugins in ms =112. Plugins counted=21 [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:33] Scanning for plugins... [2022.918.0, 02/03/2022 18:56:33] ** New Session started at : 02/03/2022 18:56:33 Sorry that's so messy, but my patience is exhausted. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: VSTi ... removing the MIDI patch? Gordon Scott #707241 03/03/22 04:07 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836 Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff
Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836	Great to hear you have the VSTSynthFont64 working, Gordon! It sounds like what could have happened was the program was preferring the other SynthFont2 and removing it helped. Best, Chantelle

Re: VSTi ... removing the MIDI patch? Chantelle - PG Music #707242 03/03/22 04:24 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,314 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,314 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: Chantelle - PG Music Great to hear you have the VSTSynthFont64 working, Gordon! It sounds like what could have happened was the program was preferring the other SynthFont2 and removing it helped. I have found VSTSynthFont64 and SynthFont2 to be incompatible with BIAB on my machine. I settled on VSTSynthFont64 and deleted the other. I never mentioned it cause I felt it was just my inability to sus it all out. But maybe there is something there. Lesson learned setup one or the other and leave well enough alone. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).

Re: VSTi ... removing the MIDI patch? DrDan #707260 03/03/22 06:05 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,506 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott OP Veteran
OP Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,506 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent I have found VSTSynthFont64 and SynthFont2 to be incompatible with BIAB on my machine. I settled on VSTSynthFont64 and deleted the other. Hmm ... sounds like we found the same issue, then. I'd been planning to compare them, but never managed to get SynthFont2 to work at all, perhaps due to that conflict. Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Lesson learned setup one or the other and leave well enough alone. Yup ... we know it makes sense, yet still we try these things Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

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Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

August 06, 2025

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

July 27, 2025

New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!

We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!

Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.

Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles

Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)

And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.

You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

July 23, 2025

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

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