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Can BIAB help me find the third quickly?

For example, I edited a melody. For example 1, 2, 3
I also determined that it is in the key of C major.
I choose all 1,2,3
Then make the MIDI notation quickly become 3, 4, 5

I don't know if BIAB has this function?

Or are there any other tools to recommend?

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I’m sorry but I don’t understand the question. Could you ask this another way?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
I’m sorry but I don’t understand the question. Could you ask this another way?



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I want to sing the harmony myself. Because the software simulation does not sound good.
However, the problem is that I can only remember the main melody.
So I wonder if it is possible to generate a third and then I sing the harmony along with the third.


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I might be starting to understand this. For example, in a major key, you might harmonize a melody by adding a note a major third above (or, to use the lower register, a minor sixth below). Do you want BIAB to highlight what that note would be?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
I might be starting to understand this. For example, in a major key, you might harmonize a melody by adding a note a major third above (or, to use the lower register, a minor sixth below). Do you want BIAB to highlight what that note would be?



I don't know if BIAB has such a function. For example, input a MIDI melody, select the SCALE, and then help generate the harmony melody.
Because I remember that BIAB has a harmony function.
Or other software have similar functions.
If not, you can only do it manually.


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Could you copy the melody to the soloist track, and then transpose the Soloist track by a third?
(Not every note would necessarily sound correct, but it may be a starting point)

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Originally Posted By: AudioTrack
Could you copy the melody to the soloist track, and then transpose the Soloist track by a third?
(Not every note would necessarily sound correct, but it may be a starting point)



Yes. Not every note is right. Because the third pitch needs a limit, that is, it must be in the correct KEY, and a SCALE must be set

I just searched, and there is no similar software in the world at present. There are many people who want to set the SCALE according to a melody, and then generate a third.

This makes it easy to sing the harmony part.

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There is the Harmony feature in BiaB, e.g., Harmony->Melody Harmony (select) which offers a number of ways to harmonise. A number mention 3rds. Does that not do what you want?


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not quite sure what your problem is. are you singing a tune and want a harmony based on thirds?

as Gordon says BIAB will do that in the correct key very easily. is your problem that the harmony voice sounds artificial?

use it as a guide track and sing along with the harmony line to record the harmony in your own voice. if the original melody distracts you, mute it while you record.

then delete the original harmony track and you have your voice singing the melody and the harmony.

its really quite simple using BIAB and a little thought would have got you there very easily without posting. or is this not your problem?

personally i'd do it in RealBand - much easier to play around with separate tracks in my opinion.

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Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott
There is the Harmony feature in BiaB, e.g., Harmony->Melody Harmony (select) which offers a number of ways to harmonise. A number mention 3rds. Does that not do what you want?


I don't know much about the harmony in BIAB.
Need to import vocals? Automatic generated?
Usually the automatically generated effect is not as good as your own singing.


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Learn how to use the harmonies in BIAB or RB and follow my instructions. It's a basic process in either program and should be easy enough to work out either by playing around and experimenting or reading the manual.

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The harmonizer in BiaB will harmonize the melody in many different ways.

I use them from time to time, and the once I've used, follow the rules I learned when I studied music theory. It can be a real time and work saver.

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OK, I think I understand what SBM is asking. Reading this again:
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I want to sing the harmony myself. Because the software simulation does not sound good.
However, the problem is that I can only remember the main melody.
So I wonder if it is possible to generate a third and then I sing the harmony along with the third.

What I think SBM wants is for BiaB to generate a harmony that (s)he can sing in his/her own voice and record to another track.

If I'm right, then I think the harmony generator should probably do that OK if SBM picks a suitable non-chordal instrument, maybe Saxophone, trombone, or whatever. Mute the melody or solo the harmony, listen in headphones, record own voice to a utility track?


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swingbabymix, I see that you have Studio One. If you have the Pro version you have the monophonic version of Melodyne. If you bring your song into Studio One Pro you can copy your vocal track and with the second vocal track you can use Melodyne to create your harmony by moving the notes up or down whatever interval you want and correct the wrong notes. (In my polyphonic version of Melodyne it will show you the correct scale/chord notes, don't know if this is available in the monophonic version) You would then have your harmony part in your voice that you can either keep or use as a base for singing. Note I have done this many times.


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All this software use seems like a lot of work to deal with something that should be self-evident if one, you know what note you are singing, two you know what key you are in and three you have a scale chart to tell you the notes.

Having any sort of keyboard that you can play notes together will let your ear know if you are doing something that sounds good together.

As an experiment, I just played a C scale on a keyboard and checked to see what notes sounded good together. Harmony is not hard to understand. You do not need to be a piano player to do these sorts of experiments. You do not need to know that it is the "third" or the "fifth" you are using but it is pretty self-evident if you can count to seven...lol

Understanding basic musical concepts are not difficult. You don't have to call it "music theory". It is not critical if you don't know what a minor third is. Having said that it is useful to know and understand at least basic music theory. That understanding makes using software like BIAB more valuable.

Melodyne can be used to create harmony but it never sounds as good as singing it yourself. Learning to use Melodyne is not simple. Auto-Tune will create harmony and is less trouble to use but cost more.

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I can't understand why the OP want a formula to 'find the third'. if he wants a harmony based on thirds BIAB just does it and takes into account the intervals of the scale and key.

why does he need to know that the third of C in the key of C is actually E? how does this help him sing a new harmony part? unless he is laboriously trying to enter a midi melody line which will play the harmony he wants to sing?

i hope i'm not being unkind but somehow there seems a basic lack of music knowledge and BIAB.

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Originally Posted By: Bob Calver
I can't understand why the OP want a formula to 'find the third'. if he wants a harmony based on thirds BIAB just does it and takes into account the intervals of the scale and key.

why does he need to know that the third of C in the key of C is actually E? how does this help him sing a new harmony part? unless he is laboriously trying to enter a midi melody line which will play the harmony he wants to sing?

i hope i'm not being unkind but somehow there seems a basic lack of music knowledge and BIAB.



Because the three tones are generally more integrated, this is a good start for me.

Harmony is generally a three-tone success rate is relatively large, of course, some details need to be modified. grin


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Originally Posted By: MarioD
swingbabymix, I see that you have Studio One. If you have the Pro version you have the monophonic version of Melodyne. If you bring your song into Studio One Pro you can copy your vocal track and with the second vocal track you can use Melodyne to create your harmony by moving the notes up or down whatever interval you want and correct the wrong notes. (In my polyphonic version of Melodyne it will show you the correct scale/chord notes, don't know if this is available in the monophonic version) You would then have your harmony part in your voice that you can either keep or use as a base for singing. Note I have done this many times.



MarioD:

Your advice helped me a lot.
thanks.

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Originally Posted By: swingbabymix
Because the three tones are generally more integrated, this is a good start for me.

Harmony is generally a three-tone success rate is relatively large, of course, some details need to be modified. grin

I'm confused by what you want to get.

Do you want a harmony a third above/below the melody?
or
Do you want a three-part harmony and you want to find the third harmony part?

One harmony option is just the notes in the current chord.


The language translations do not help to make things clear.


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