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When the spectacle of the video overtakes the song, I don't like them. Most of the Michael Jackson videos are great examples. Billie Jean, Thriller.... Over the top.
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While I do listen to music, it's with musician's ears, but I understand the general public does not.
I don't need to watch a video, as it interferes with the deep listening and analysis of the music. I don't even need to hear the words until everything else is digested. Until I have absorbed all the parts and how they work with each other to create "the whole", the words are just meaningless articulation of the melody. But I'm weird that way.
An unusual or attractive video might catch my attention for one viewing, but visuals that aren't the band playing always compete with the music for attention, so once is enough.
I am a professional musician and an entertainer, so I understand that most people want to hear the song and be entertained with their eyes as well. That's why videos are a hit.
On the gig, we play music and do our best to entertain as well. Adding some entertainment to the gig makes the people happier, and happy people come back to listen/watch again and again.
Also, there is an art-form to making videos, and I suspect a videographer would pay more attention to the video than the music. That's because he/she watches with videographer eyes.
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Are you more or less likely to listen to a song posted as a video? I have my studio PC connected to the internet. So as long as the video has a high quality version, it doesn't matter to me if it's video or audio. Good audio quality is the important thing for me.
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The first thing I should say is that if someone has gone to the time and effort to make a video,
I should at least watch it whilst I listen to the music. This kind of comment is sliding over into ethics, which I find interesting but unfortunate. It's as if I have some kind of contractual obligation to watch a video because you made it, the watching being payment for the service of creation. It's as if I were at a holiday get-together and Aunt Matilda brought her special fruitcake and everyone has to try it because she baked it herself. I'd rather not turn the listener's role into one laden with obligations like that. I listen (or watch) to experience the art, not because I owe the artist anything.
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At the risk of appearing defensive we strive, via our videos, to augment the lyric imagery and never distract from it. We don't find that notion to be an oxymoron FWIW we spend a LOT of time trying to choose appropriate supportive scenes to shoot from. And the lip syncing is to, hopefully, reinforce the emotion of the vocal. Again, we completely understand that this is not everyone's proverbial cup of tea. However, the suggestions that videos are inherently distracting is difficult to understand. Do we run across videos that distract from the theme or even seem to contradict it? Of course, and those will get me to the remote in a heartbeat. And a videographer even if they did not write or perform the song can and should “live with” the song long enough to support the performer’s sentiment. OK, I took the risk of appearing defensive and have likely lived up to it! Cheers, Bud
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Speaking only for myself, I intended no aspersion-casting on anyone's work or the art of videography in general. I just like to be able to do other things while listening to music – reading, writing, driving, washing dishes, etc. – and videos don't permit that.
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Speaking only for myself, I intended no aspersion-casting on anyone's work or the art of videography in general. I just like to be able to do other things while listening to music – reading, writing, driving, washing dishes, etc. – and videos don't permit that. So it's more like casual listening versus critical listening (reviewing) a song then.
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I just like to be able to do other things while listening to music – reading, writing, driving, washing dishes, etc. – and videos don't permit that. So it's more like casual listening versus critical listening (reviewing) a song then. Not at all. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Sometimes I will be writing about the music I am hearing. And I love listening to music intensely while driving, I find I can really focus in that compressed environment.
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Howdy Mark....
No....it makes no difference to me.
If the title of the song & song subject interests me I'd listen and appreciate either medium.
The video doesn't distract me.
I've made a few YT videos of my original drivel just for the creative aspect but I don't promote myself as many here do.
My videos are not busy visuals....just pictures related to the song subject and the lyrics are noted to (hopefully) maintain the listeners interest.
Either medium is fine to me.
Have a great day everyone....
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The first thing I should say is that if someone has gone to the time and effort to make a video,
I should at least watch it whilst I listen to the music. This kind of comment is sliding over into ethics, which I find interesting but unfortunate. I did mean for me personally, not as a matter of what others should do. Also, if I don't like either the music or the video, I'm happy to just go away and ignore the lot.
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Speaking only for myself, I intended no aspersion-casting on anyone's work or the art of videography in general. I just like to be able to do other things while listening to music – reading, writing, driving, washing dishes, etc. – and videos don't permit that. Point taken; however, the original post referenced, I thought, posts to the showcase forum. Hence my reaction. More FWIW’s Bud
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Speaking only for myself, I intended no aspersion-casting on anyone's work or the art of videography in general. I just like to be able to do other things while listening to music – reading, writing, driving, washing dishes, etc. – and videos don't permit that. Point taken; however, the original post referenced, I thought, posts to the showcase forum. Hence my reaction. More FWIW’s That is what I had in mind. I listen to showcase stuff all the time while doing those things.
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When the spectacle of the video overtakes the song, I don't like them. Most of the Michael Jackson videos are great examples. Billie Jean, Thriller.... Over the top. You brought back memories. LOL! The ones I disliked most on MTV were the ones with the long video intro that went on and on before the artist and/or band finally got around to doing the song. I hated that even when I liked the song. I think that's what killed the video star. 
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I started making videos because I found, on social media platforms, that they have a higher hit rate than just audio.
Once Utub began to streame higher quality, less mangled audio than Soundcloud I posted both so that options were available and the slightly higher audio quality with the vid was a plus.
Now that streaming is a big huff n puff about LUFS it's harder to tell.
Videos can be played and listened to rather than watched. When the video content is space filler then that's just what I do - listen but not watch. IF all of two senses are requested then their attention has to be held.
I like making videos and sometimes I illustrate the song, clarify the lyric or just make it "performance" based - variety is nice for the maker too.
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I do find video information distracting when I am listening to music. Even at a symphony concert, I spend most of the time with my eyes closed.
Visual information competes with audio information for attention. Turning one off, enhances the other.
Now if the music is just 'chewing gum for the ears' and I'm not really interested in analyzing it, I suppose the video might be even more interesting than the music.
But then, I rarely intentionally listen to music that doesn't interest me.
And like I said earlier, I'm not the normal listener.
I mean no disrespect to people who find the videos improve their experience. There is more than one right way to listen to music.
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Personally I prefer to listen without being distracted by a video
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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FWIW there are two different types of answers here and they're not necessarily the same.
What I'm more likely to do.
What I prefer to do.
If I'm looking on-line for a song, I'm most likely to search on YouTube, so I'm most likely to find one with a video.
If it's a studio recording, I generally prefer no video, but if there is a video I'll usually watch it at least the first time through.
If it's a recording of a live performance, then the video captures part of the atmosphere and I'll likely watch it anyway. Generally, true live performance has an edge that comprises both the situation and the imperfections.
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Gordon, exactly!
For me there's no one way is better than the other way. It all depends on what any associated vision contains.
Every musical presentation needs to be based on its own merits.
The associated vision of a virtuoso performance of an orchestra performing Vivaldi's 'Four Seasons' enhances the vibrancy and dynamics of the music.
A screen capture of an album cover photo does not.
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For me there's no one way is better than the other way...
The associated vision of a virtuoso performance of an orchestra performing Vivaldi's 'Four Seasons' enhances the vibrancy and dynamics of the music. I don't know what this piece of language performance art means and suspect I disagree but never mind that now. My question here was not "Which is better, audio or video?" and makers of videos have no reason to feel insulted by any responses I've seen.There are a number of reasons why someone might choose video over audio, in general or on a particular occasion. My favorite use case is driving a car. I am not disrespecting anyone's video by not watching it while driving, and no, I am not going to set my phone to playing a video then put it on the passenger seat and listen. Again, my recommendation – and at this point I offer it as a Public Service Announcement – is: If you make videos of songs as a way of initially publishing those songs (i.e., not using a previously published song as soundtrack) consider releasing your work in both formats. If you do not, you may miss a listener or two.And now, because it is in my head, I have to listen to the Four Seasons... =8^)
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And now, because it is in my head, I have to listen to the Four Seasons... =8^) An aside after my comment about the imperfections being part of the live experience, you've just reminded me of a concert. A large collection of local amateur choirs got together to perform Carmina Burana. They had a couple or so hundred amateur singers, hired four or five professional soloists and a full professional orchestra. It was imperfect. It's also the best version I have ever experienced. I'm afraid that, thanks to music-on-hold, I now cannot bear The Four Seasons. :-(
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