I am using BIAB 2022, build 922. I have not been able to get BIAB to create an accurate Midi File when I use F5 to mute one instrument at the beginning of the song and then unmute it later.
I ran tests using random styles, SW, EV 4/4, 3/4/ 12/8 --and all of the midi files create a file where CC7 (Volume) is set to Zero at the beginning of the track that is muted and then CC7 stays at zero even when the instrument is unmuted. It is very easy to fix in my DAW (Cakewalk), but seems like BIAB should create an accurate file to begin with.
I did most tests using BIAB files that had all RTs with notation, but I did try one with all midi instruments and got the same result.
Also, I could not get the midi files that started as all RTs to play a final held chord (C...) The BIAB file with all Midi instruments did play a final held chord.
PG Support says is can't replicate this result, so I was wondering if anyone else can.
IF you have time, please try the following:
1) Create a song where you use F5 to mute an instrument at the beginning and then later unmute it using F5 settings.
2) End the song with a held chord
3) Use the Midi File Icon in the toolbar (see attached photo) to create a midi file and then open that midi file in your DAW.
I should also mention that I tried Drag/Drop to create midi files for the muted/unmuted track and got the same results.
For Results:
At the beginning does the midi file set CC7 to Zero on the track that was muted? Does it stay at zero or does it rise to a reasonable level where the track should be unmuted? Does the midi file play a last held chord?
I would appreciate hearing any results that can then be reported to PG Music.
John have you been with BIAB since 2008? If so I am sure you have seen this type of analysis over the many years. It never leads to any good.
Having said that, let me apologize for that glib answer. I'm sure I should have just passed on this one, since I can't really help you out. But the only thing I can contribute is my perspective. Perhaps the next guy to come along will be more helpful.
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So I have made every attempt to do exactly what John describes. I have all the pictures and files if needed.
Quote:
1) At the beginning does the midi file set CC7 to Zero on the track that was muted?
2Does it stay at zero or does it rise to a reasonable level where the track should be unmuted?
3 Does the midi file play a last held chord?
1) Yes, Reaper shows CC7 drop to zero at the exact bar I muted via F5 2) It stays at zero for the whole song and does not go up when unmuted. 3) Yes, but only if I raise CC7 since I muted all midi tracks and all have CC7=0 across the board.
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Thanks for running the test. I appreciate it. Your results align with mine.
I would appreciate it if a couple of other BIAB users could also run the simple test described at the top of this post, and I will report the results to PG Support/Development.
I tried some alternate workflows to see if a workaround was available. No success. If you mute a track with F5 it stays muted in the exported midi file dispite unmuting it in BIAB. In the midi file there is no corresponding program command CC7=90 to reset the previous CC7=0.
I am calling this one Broke!
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Tried again this moring to sus out different workflows. So here is the workaround. Don't use F5 to mute midi tracks prior to taking the midi to your DAW. Rather drag and drop the midi to your DAW and edit there.
Last edited by MusicStudent; 05/12/2202:18 AM.
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I would appreciate it if a couple of other BIAB users could also run the simple test described at the top of this post, and I will report the results to PG Support/Development.
Thanks very much,
John
I tried it and got the identical results as you.
I also found out it doesn't matter where you mute a track or where you unmute it as once it is muted it stays muted. Note that I worked with MIDI for these tests.
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