Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
With all the challenges going on and well.... some of those are kinda difficult to really do justice.... I decided to give myself a Rock and Roll challenge. This is a rough copy.... I didn't fix a few of the things that maybe I should have but.... I've been on this all day.... from the basic idea and rough draft to well.... kinda almost ready. Oh.... did I forget to mention that I have been watching the AC/DC concert from Argentina..... wow.... some seriously good rock and roll from those boys. So... maybe, I'm not saying it did or didn't influence this tune.... or the recording.... or the instrumentation..... The Band.... I only used bass and drums from BB...adding only 2 guitar tracks. Metal 8ths on the drums and Metal 388 on the bass. Everything else is me. Essentially, only 2 more tracks... one rhythm guitar and one lead in a few places. The amp is Spark.... and of course Marshall models. It's only Rock & Roll (new version) Mixed mostly on cans and well..... enjoy. Arena rock and roll at it's finest. Feel free to comment and point out what you like and what you don't. EDIT: Forgot the words.... Heard the story a long time ago Bout a boy back in the woods you know Bought a guitar and he followed a dream Now he makes all the young girls scream
Rock and roll such a simple thing makes you wanna get up and scream Gets you out on the dancehall floor always leaves you wanting more
It's only rock and roll, (4x)
Don't care what anybody say I'm gonna rock and roll it anyway Turn it up as loud as it goes Come on everybody get to the show
I got a guitar I crank it up loud the feeling's right when you're feeling the crowd you get high ya move all night long, I'm gonna rock and roll ya with this song
It's only rock and roll, (8x)
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 05/14/22 12:49 PM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,470
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,470 |
GH. now THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT !! 41 secs..NICE ! yep..R n R might be simple but to do it like you did with this aint easy...lol.
a producer once said to me..."on a saturday night people just wanna rock out n party"...lol. just as bto proved in vancouver live.
classic ending mate.
your talent and versatility is superb..KUDOS. CRANK IT !
best om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 05/13/22 10:49 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735 |
Herb,
Neat power rocker. Solid drive and vocal performance. Good mix & listens well. Thank you for sharing.
Misha
P.S. Funny, earlier this week I was driving 11 y.o. kids and a music request was AC/DC. I was surprised that young kids dig it these days.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,685
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,685 |
Rock n roll ??. ,its too heavy on the instrument side, more like heavy metal!!.but too weak on the vocal side !.
So a good attempt , but not your usual stuff , that you do well !!.
Always enjoy your stuff !!,
A thought at first this was a david snyder number , you guys do sound the same tho !!.
Both Brilliant singer/ songwriters.
Last edited by beatmaster; 05/13/22 01:19 PM.
win 10 64 bit 16gb,i7 chip, ssd 500gb, m-audio air, ,Roland BK-7M, 1000,shure sm7b,sonar,acid,mixcraft, variety of plugins.Sample tank 3,Kontakt. TC Helicon Voicelive 3 2 . https://beatmaster1.bandcamp.com/releases
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 621
Journeyman
|
Journeyman
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 621 |
That's pretty damn good for rough! Great guitar work too.
Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
Thanks for jumping in on the early band wagon.
I just put 2.0 up. A few changes.... brought the vox up. Fixed a few out of tune things. EQ cut to clean up the guitars and also volume envelopes on them were adjusted.
Let me know your thoughts.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,338
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,338 |
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Awesome! Herb, can you send me this MP3 over We Transfer or whatever we use? Thanks. I want to blast this. Ok, you're on man. I will challenge you. I have to come back on this one.  BUT, I have my work cut out for me!!! Kickin' bro. Also, please post the tracks you used if any.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Awesome! Herb, can you send me this MP3 over We Transfer or whatever we use? Thanks. I want to blast this. Ok, you're on man. I will challenge you. I have to come back on this one.  BUT, I have my work cut out for me!!! Kickin' bro. Also, please post the tracks you used if any. Tracks are in the op. Only drums and bass. Both metal. 2 guitars... A rhythm throughout and lead where you hear it. That's it. 4 tracks just like a 4piece band. 4 vox tracks ... One main with 3 more unison in the chorus. Just a note..... I'm going to remix it a third time. It sounds too bright to me. I'll send you the mp3 of that Saturday evening.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 4,052
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 4,052 |
Wow, I don't believe we ever heard you coming up with such a metal sound ;-).
You definitely are a guitar hacker. Great solo work (and very nice git feedback).
Albeit the mix itself, particularly the cymbals might have slightly too much high EQ... Maybe something to consider next time...
Rob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 225
Apprentice
|
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 225 |
You put Ac/Dc,Bob Seager and the Scorps in a box and shook it and this came out. Having played my share of bar band gigs this really takes me back, back to about quarter to 2, dance floor packed and nobody wanting to leave, just one more guitar solo and a 5 min. ending and goodnight!!!! You nailed it. Thanks.
Rick
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,683
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,683 |
I'm a big fan of the KISS method for rock and blues tunes also, bass, drums, couple of guitars maybe a piano/organ, done!
Nicely done, Herb, perfect attitude and tone on the guitars, great rock vocal.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,980
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,980 |
LOUD out of the box...I had to find and adjust the level. Angus & Malcolm did just the one guitar track each - with some fills from Angus O.D.'d if needed. Malcolm used quite a clean sound but it would crunch when he hit it hard in the right spots. Using BIAB for the rhythm section makes sense too as Rudd & whoever was on bass usually meshed liked a machine providing an uninterrupted, solid foundation.
You seem to have achieved the necessary grunt and heft from the Spark too. Yes, there're a few spots where the vocal could be tweaked but I'm not convinced it's needed. Lyrically - generally I personally don't care for songs about r'n'r but I was listening to the sound, not meaning, of the words with this so you snuck by me. Cool playing.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,443
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,443 |
Yeow! Man, you are killing it with that guitar, Herb, and you got a great voice for this style. Terrific band. Well done!! Very enjoyable listen.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12,469
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12,469 |
Herb,
Excellent guitar work.
Good screamy vocal (I thought it was just a tad to "bright and clear" - I'd try some heavy saturation to give it even more growl).
On my speakers, the drums are overpowered by the cymbals. By the end of the song they (cymbals) are really pulling my ear. The snare and kick seem to take a backseat to the cymbals. It would be nice if it was the other way around (a powerful kick/snare sound).
This does Rock.
fj
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2022
Posts: 1,031
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: Feb 2022
Posts: 1,031 |
Now this is kickin'! I agree with Floyd about the cymbals, but man this rocks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
Folks, I really appreciate your feedback and with the advice given..... I went back for a more detailed look at the song. Hopefully, this (3rd) mix is a better representation of what I was going for. Here's what I did. Spiced up the intro and the outtro hits on the drums. Regarding the drums, I rolled off the high end to tame those cymbals. Hopefully, mission accomplished on this one. I worked on the vocal a guitar EQ as well, adjusted a few levels, cleaned up a few off beat things..... I love volume envelopes. And a few other minor tweeks here and there..... anyway.... for your listening pleasure..... https://app.box.com/s/52sxlbgtbkho5iqt753b3d1865w8q09emaybe the third time is the charm. Note: I was gonna pull this down last night but since I didn't have the time to work on this until later this evening.... Saturday..... I left it in place but it's now the 3rd and hopefully final version. Note2: We now have a Doctor in the house. My daughter finished her doctorate and graduated today. Enjoy the song
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,685
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,685 |
That's better!! your vocals ! now sound more prominent ! And stronger !!
good one enjoyed !!.
win 10 64 bit 16gb,i7 chip, ssd 500gb, m-audio air, ,Roland BK-7M, 1000,shure sm7b,sonar,acid,mixcraft, variety of plugins.Sample tank 3,Kontakt. TC Helicon Voicelive 3 2 . https://beatmaster1.bandcamp.com/releases
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 1,482
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 1,482 |
Hello Herb Congratulations !!! This is really cool hard rock That I may still experience that here in the forum ;-) Reminds me of my band rehearsals a long time ago.... Your voice is really really good. Your song structure fits. Also the end is cool. Ok. Soundtechnically there is still room for improvement. Especially the drums are very tame. Your guitar work is also typical for such a song. Let's see who will join this challenge. You have set the bar very high, especially with your vocals. More of it Herb Thanks a lot Andi ;-)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,443
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,443 |
You charmed it, Herb. It's only rock 'n' roll, but I like it! Your vocal is perfect, and is driven by that fine guitar.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 15,415
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 15,415 |
 Great singing and playing, Herb, and we like it, yes, we do! J&B P.S. Congrats to your daughter!
Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
Join the conversation on our forum.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,380
Posts778,471
Members39,636
|
Most Online25,754 Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|