|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,383
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,383 |
Hi Nigel,
I sometimes use the "Render Audio File" dialog, with the same settings in your attachment, but usually, I right click on the track I want in the mixer, then left click on "Track Actions" and select "Save Track as a WAV File"
Biab will then render the file and save to my project folder...
I then copy or drag the WAV file into my Cakewalk project...
Then I almost always use a Hi-Pass Filter, Pan, EQ, Compress, Sweeten etc.
Bandcamp Win-11; BiaB-2026 Audiophile
Cakewalk Sonar; Melodyne-5; Scaler 3; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825 |
Hi Matt,
And does dragging each track to your DAW solve the problem?
Best Regards
Nigel
Nigel Spiers
Christchurch, New Zealand
info@nzacoustics.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392 |
I guess I have to say Yes because it works and I’ve continued to do it the ‘old’ way.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825 |
Hi Bloc-Head and Matt,
Thanks for your responses.
It is clear that no BIAB user nor PG Music can hear this problem - just me.
So I'll drop the subject.
Best Regards
Nigel
Nigel Spiers
Christchurch, New Zealand
info@nzacoustics.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 297
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 297 |
Hi Bloc-Head and Matt,
Thanks for your responses.
It is clear that no BIAB user nor PG Music can hear this problem - just me.
So I'll drop the subject.
Best Regards
Nigel Not just you. I've been having this problem for quite sometime. Although, I use the Rendering of the MIX, primarily. The mix sounds very different when listening in BIAB, versus what comes out of the render. I've used ".wav" files and 24bit/48k/320k ".mp3" files, with the same results. Dull, Muddy, or maybe reduced dynamic range.... I don't know what it is for sure. I generally try to do my mixing in BIAB, but have to generate the track many times to get something close to the mix I want in the Render. Thought it was just me. (Maybe it is!)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392 |
I recommend you stay with it.
I also think we need someone who knows Reaper well. Is there some setting in Reaper that could reduce the sample or bit rates of audio files sent to a project?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,555
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,555 |
Nigel…
Dunno if i can help. I’m a long time reaps user bloke from day 1..v0.99.
I got q’s.
1..Under X top right hand of reaps main screen..please post back info.
2..What is your sound device , and what are its bit depth and sampling rate ?
I would also ask on reaps forums too.
maybe thunderthud could post same info.
Cheers
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,698
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,698 |
I recommend you stay with it.
I also think we need someone who knows Reaper well. Is there some setting in Reaper that could reduce the sample or bit rates of audio files sent to a project? Another long term Reaper guy here. But from the beginning of this thread I have been a bit confused. Seems the tracks are exported dry, no eq and no panning!! Otherwise, I am not aware of any Reaper import feature which would downgraded the full audio. Those guys over there do frequency mapping to verify audio is not adversly impacted by input or output so I don't think the answer is there.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392 |
I recommend you stay with it.
I also think we need someone who knows Reaper well. Is there some setting in Reaper that could reduce the sample or bit rates of audio files sent to a project? Another long term Reaper guy here. But from the beginning of this thread I have been a bit confused. Seems the tracks are exported dry, no eq and no panning!! Otherwise, I am not aware of any Reaper import feature which would downgraded the full audio. Those guys over there do frequency mapping to verify audio is not adversly impacted by input or output so I don't think the answer is there. You're no doubt correct, Dan. Yes, I'm really reaching here, since we seem to be collectively stumped.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825 |
Hi Guys,
Bingo! - I've found a solution with the help of Google and some Reaper Blogs. It's nothing to do with BIAB - it's a setting in Reaper.
It's quite an odd solution. So I just need to do a little more research on the background of this setting, how and why it does what it does.
I will be back in touch with details of the solution shortly.
Best Regards
Nigel
Nigel Spiers
Christchurch, New Zealand
info@nzacoustics.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,698
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,698 |
O Boy, don't make us wait too long as we are dying with an... tis.... i... pa .... 
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,692
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,692 |
Hi Folks,
After I render a Band In A Box song to my DAW it sounds dull when played back in my DAW. Less treble and more boomy - especially the Bass.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks for your help.
Best Regards
Nigel You're not doing anything wrong. I get the same thing. BUT....The honest truth is that you want your tracks to sound plain vanilla in the beginning. All that matters is that you have a good signal strength and it is what you want musically. You don't want tracks coming in with built in compression or verb, or anything else. You're going to add that in the mixing process of you need it. So, my simple solution is this. I use Ozone, and I use some other EQ and reverb that's default in my DAW, Sonar. Ozone is a mastering suite with EQ, reverb, widening, multi-band compression and several other things. It puts the polish on the files. I like it because it has a bunch of very useful presets that get you at least 80% of the way to a really good sounding mix. I like to insert it into my DAW's master buss. Start with it off, hit play, and then turn it on to hear the difference. Every so often I will bypass the FX to see if I'm still on course. As with most plugins...... less is often more, but it's ultimately up to you. If you don't have Ozone.... go to https://www.izotope.com/en/products/ozone.html and download the 10 day free trial. Be forewarned.... if you do the free trial, you better have the money ready because there's no way once you try it that you will want to be without it. Guaranteed!
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392 |
True enough; +1 for Ozone.
So it might after all be a setting in Reaper? Let us know.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825 |
Hi Dan, Matt & Others,
The problem is:
Prefs > Project > Media Item Defaults > Create automatic fade in/out
The default setting is 0:00.010 i.e. a tiny fade in and out on every track.
This setting exists to prevent clicks at the start of media items (ie. when the waveform doesn't start at a zero crossing). So if you reduce it or disable this setting, you'll need to manually check and edit your audio to eliminate clicks when they occur (which you probably do anyway).
This doesn't make sense to me because it is not just the initial transient in a track/media item that sounds dull - it is every note.
The Solution is:
I set this to 0:00.000 in my Reaper System Wide Preferences. (I also set the crossfade to 0:00.000 just in case). Then I closed down and restarted Reaper (to make sure the new preferences were being used).
Then I imported some BIAB Wav (Media) files and Bingo - they are absolutely identical to when you listen to the same tracks in BIAB.
For me the improvement in sound quality was most evident in two handed piano tracks because Pianos have more harmonics than most other instruments.
I then went ahead and created a mix in Reaper and Boy - it was just so much quicker and easier. This is because it's easy to dull an instrument in Reaper (or any DAW) but completely recovering lost highs and mids is simply not possible. Exactly the same as a photo with blown highlights.
I hope this helps.
NB - Herb - Yes I use Ozone and most other Izotope products at various stages of mixing and mastering - great software!
Best Regards
Nigel
Last edited by NigelSpiers; 05/15/22 03:44 PM.
Nigel Spiers
Christchurch, New Zealand
info@nzacoustics.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,937
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,937 |
Nigel,
Thanks for the update. I've been closely following this thread. I'm so glad you persisted in your investigation until you found a solution.
Many DAWs enable their version of "automatic crossfade" by default. That means many Band-in-a-Box users may be encountering the same issue you experienced but may not even realize it. You've likely helped many more users than you realize.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,183
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,183 |
Nigel,
you're right - it makes no sense at all BUT if it works it works...being constantly modified Reaper has some oddities to be sure.
I've been pondering whether to stop the auto fade in for a couple of months now and it can cause slight level fluctuations in sensitive sustained notes when editing.
I'll do it today. THANKS.
Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,392 |
I'm just amazed Reaper would have such a hazard. It was the only thing that made any sense.
I'm glad for many others that you stuck with this, Nigel.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954 |
When I inject the Biab tracks into Reaper it don't put in any crossfades where there is item overlap, but if I move it then it will add auto crossfade, not sure where you would have these with a consolidated wav file unless you have rendered the section separately. There is only a tiny fade in out added to an item to turn the volume down at that point, this should not effect the tone of the rest of the wav file. There are scripts/actions to automatically remove fades/crossfades from all items. Bigger 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,825 |
Hi,
"There is only a tiny fade in out added to an item to turn the volume down at that point, this should not effect the tone of the rest of the wav file."
Yes weird - but true!
Best Regards
Nigel
Nigel Spiers
Christchurch, New Zealand
info@nzacoustics.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954 |
If you can render a track that stands out with the fade in/out and render one without them and post it in the bug forum https://forum.cockos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,505
Posts792,718
Members39,904
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean