I don't think anyone is complaining John. I just hear people saying there are some programs that force you to learn SOMETHING and think SOMETHING whereas there are other programs that don't ask you to think at all.

That is what I heard, for the most part.

And I think it is true.

I remember you posting something in a thread a while back saying that you were trying to learn new skills and up your game. That is good. Good for you.

I think that is all people have ever been saying in these threads:

LEARN something.

And there ARE programs that let you get away with learning NOTHING.