Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
UPS n DOWNS
Morning Folk,
I had a song from a year or so ago that didn't work out as intended.
I stripped it back to its BIAB bones, cut & rejigged the chassis then built a new body on that.
The engine was imported - Gene Pensari's lead playing powers this piece.
BIAB RealDrums & organ to which I added
Squire Mustang guitar with various voices.
Bass the usual Vantage through a BDI21- retracked MANY times and a final session on Monday won.
An eBow track for fun.
Mellotron tracks cut & pasted in.
Vocals - often whispered or sotto voce as I had to operate stealthily so folk could sleep.
When I couldn't actually sing the harmonies, I managed some but being very specific with some notes is way beyond my league, I relied on tuning software to get me there..I pushed that envelope to get a bit of a VOCODER vibe.
I wrote four different lyrics for this and they were all useless.
Finally I went back to the process I used on Half Life of Truth and tracked scraps & ideas AS they came to me then stitched them together.
This song is done in that it has been professionally mastered so I won't be changing it BUT any/all comments/suggestions recommendations will be harvested and stored for the next crop.

LYRICS
Ups n Downs

Frencman's gift
Beans ground sniffed
Cuts of cane
Toke back down again.
Rhythms clocked by pain

Nicotine
Caffeine
Sucrose
Cannabis
Put the mind in order

Smoke guillotine
Drink routine
Poison we chose
Oblivion knows
DNA predisposed

Nicotine
Caffeine
Sucrose
Cannabis
Mind upon the border

solo

Nicotine
Caffeine
Sucrose
Cannabis
Experience re-order

Take you up
Loving cup
Called your own
Personal touchstone.
Needs must is chaperone

Nicotine
Caffeine
Sucrose
Cannabis


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12,714
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12,714
ray,

That PBX Sound has become a truly identifiable signature.

Bass sounds great. Gene's guitar is icing.
The drums are well balanced (they are VERY SLIGHTLY "dull" sounding to my ear - and I emphasize VERY SLIGHTLY).
A cool lyric. Works well for the PBX sound.

After a couple of listens, it begins to feel like a song that you know well from your youth. An old friend.

fj

User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,438
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,438

Yeah this sounds cool!

The mastering works well on this.

Definitely your sound! smile

User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,540
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,540
Ray,

It's obvious that an incredible amount of work went into producing this! I picked up lots of little touches you added here and there! Such as changing the rhythmic feel of the drums. Love the melody of the vocal lines and also the spacey ethereal sounds giving the backtrack a lot of depth! Your bass work is fantastic again! Enjoyed the listen!

Thanks, Torrey

User Showcase
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,796
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,796
I know you prefer your vocals low in the mix, and I'm coming round to your thinking. My second time through --when I was better with the words-- it seemed so perfect. Yeah, the whole mix is superb. Gene was a good choice. Man, he adds so much. Very creative craft, Ray! BTW, that ending bow is really cool.


Enjoy whatever happens!
marty

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@babumusic51
SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/marty-straub
Band in a Box, Reaper, Cakewalk, Ozone 11, EZDrummer
User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,159
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,159
Excellent tune Ray. Cool chord progressions. Guitar was excellent as well.


Scott Collingwood
https://soundcloud.com/scottt709
https://soundcloud.com/spiritlevel-ca
https://www.youtube.com/@SpiritLevel-ge3hm/
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 708
Journeyman
Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 708
I like it, Ray. Gene's lead playing is indeed excellent. I couldn't have made out the lyrics without reading them, but I don't think that matters. Not that the lyrics aren't good (they are), but your vocal part integrates into the mix so well. The sounds are right, even if the words are not always clear.
Regards,
Leon

User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,553
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,553
Ray,

Love the way this sounds. Has an epic feel to it. Great job!

Bob

User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,060
D
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
D
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,060
Ray,

Love the opening of this, and I like what you’ve done with the vocals. Has a vocaloid vibe to it, but really sweet and soft in the mix, and I think it works well. The production value on this is off the charts—very professional feel to it. Really well done piece!

All my best to you,

Deej

User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,018
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,018
Great vocal, super lead guitar, and the perfect mix.

This has everything a great song needs, thus it is a great song.

Two thumbs up


It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
User Showcase
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,933
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,933
Ray,
You getting very creative with sound design. Excellent bass work! Composition and mix are top notch, I would not change a thing, but vocals to my ears are way too quiet. Cool ending.

"I had to operate stealthily so folk could sleep."
That's funny. I know the feeling smile Thank you for sharing.

Misha.

User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: floyd jane
ray,
That PBX Sound has become a truly identifiable signature.
Bass sounds great. Gene's guitar is icing.
The drums are well balanced (they are VERY SLIGHTLY "dull" sounding to my ear - and I emphasize VERY SLIGHTLY).
A cool lyric. Works well for the PBX sound.
After a couple of listens, it begins to feel like a song that you know well from your youth. An old friend.
fj

Thanks Floyd,
Yes, I agree about the dulling of the drums - sadly the cymbals & hihats in particular were sizzly and annoying. I tried automated EQ but it was in & out so often I opted for IN.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: David Snyder

Yeah this sounds cool!
The mastering works well on this.
Definitely your sound! smile

Thanks David,
Fran does his job well.
AND he lets me know when a song isn't ready or if the mix needs work.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: Torrey Bliss
Ray,
It's obvious that an incredible amount of work went into producing this! I picked up lots of little touches you added here and there! Such as changing the rhythmic feel of the drums. Love the melody of the vocal lines and also the spacey ethereal sounds giving the backtrack a lot of depth! Your bass work is fantastic again! Enjoyed the listen!
Thanks, Torrey


Ta Torrey,
I took my time rebuilding this and added "touches" here n there as I did so - rather like the construction and tracking of the vocal.
I threw that bass track on at the last minute - I had a part I really liked and that I'd laboured over but I couldn't get it to "sound" right. In the end I tracked and retracked half a dozen times in a row & went with the better take - tonally it has very little done to it.
The drums were heavily modded on the same day as the bass work...it needed a lift and I couldn't get it to work in BAIB as I wanted so exported it and sliced it up in Reaper.
Lots of 11th hour stuff on this one.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 1,527
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 1,527
Hi Ray
Very interesting song
The background track holds some surprises ;-)
Good work Ray
Many greetings
Andi ;-)

User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: BabuMusic
I know you prefer your vocals low in the mix, and I'm coming round to your thinking. My second time through --when I was better with the words-- it seemed so perfect. Yeah, the whole mix is superb. Gene was a good choice. Man, he adds so much. Very creative craft, Ray! BTW, that ending bow is really cool.

Thanks Marty - eBowing is fun AND frustrating but it does offer some cool tones as well as being very accommodating with ITB octave changes.
Like you, I do feel this vocal is in the right place...it takes a little work but that's the sort of rock I grew up listening to.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: Scott C
Excellent tune Ray. Cool chord progressions. Guitar was excellent as well.

Thanks Scott,
Reimagining is useful.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: Leon1
I like it, Ray. Gene's lead playing is indeed excellent. I couldn't have made out the lyrics without reading them, but I don't think that matters. Not that the lyrics aren't good (they are), but your vocal part integrates into the mix so well. The sounds are right, even if the words are not always clear.
Regards,
Leon

Thanks for "getting it" Leon.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: rsdean
Ray,
Love the way this sounds. Has an epic feel to it. Great job!
Bob

Thanks Bob,
I appreciate it.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
rayc Offline OP
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 7,170
Originally Posted By: Deej56
Ray,
Love the opening of this, and I like what you’ve done with the vocals. Has a vocaloid vibe to it, but really sweet and soft in the mix, and I think it works well. The production value on this is off the charts—very professional feel to it. Really well done piece!
All my best to you,
Deej

Thanks Deej,
It was a pleasant project to work on and having not settled on a lyric, let alone melody, until quite late I wasn't in a position to con someone into singing so needed to use the technology to assist with the >needs must" situation.


Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Video: New User Interface (GUI)

Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!

Watch the video.

You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!

Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.

Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!

Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!

Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.

Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!

Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.

XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!

Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!

Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

Forum Statistics
Forums57
Topics85,287
Posts790,584
Members39,854
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
StratMan1965, CPIA2002, janhardo, Minstrel, Deb D
39,854 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
jpettit 320
MarioD 218
DrDan 215
Noel96 163
DC Ron 142
Rob Helms 128
Today's Birthdays
dreadmon, Jazzer_Phil, SteelScott
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5