Yes, I replied above. I downloaded and ran CCleaner. I switched to all three drivers. I did check the task manager, BIAB was the only thing running, other than system normal stuff and I had 75+% CPU free.
If you look at the very top of the BIAB window, there is a line up there. Unfortunately, I can't show you an image of it, but it's directly above the menu line. When you press Play or Generate and Play, that line will show you the parts that are being generated and a percentage of the generation that's complete. The song should start just as all the parts have been generated. Mine starts the song, but then that line starts to show that all the parts are being regenerated and the song stops, or stutters, while it is trying to regenerate the parts.
For some reason, it's been better than afternoon. I don't know why, I can actually play almost complete songs now, whereas before I was getting stopping and stuttering as soon as the first or second bar. This morning, before it got 'better' I had shut down a whole bunch of stuff that start on start up, and none of it made any difference. I shut the computer off and went out and when I came back, it seemed to be working better, but it still exhibits this behavior.
I don't know why. My device drivers are up to date (thank you for the suggestion for CCleaner, I may have to buy that), but the problems still happen.
I've left a message for support, they probably will get back to me, and I'll see where we go from there.
Gary
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Mine starts the song, but then that line starts to show that all the parts are being regenerated and the song stops, or stutters, while it is trying to regenerate the parts.
1: I now understand that you are looking at the Top Form Caption and that you see it start generating again after you have previously placed a check-mark in that check box and pressed OK and then selected the Generate and Play button.
2: if that box is checked, this additional generation does not happen on my system.
3: Can you comment also that you don't have any frozen tracks? I'm not sure if this is related.
4: If you save, then select File > New to start a new song, and then select Song Settings, does that box show as unchecked?
5: And then if you reopen the original previously saved song, and then select Song Settings, is that box still checked - without you having to re-check it again?
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Firstly i’m well aware of your long standing and contributions on these forums. Cos i started on powertraks many many moons ago, lol.
Its all a question of a process of elimination. If you could humour moi and post back your settings for sampling rate and bit depth settings in cake (that works) and win as i requested before , this might Help in elimination of possibles.
One possible re stuttering is sometimes its drivers. To eliminate this possibility if were me i would rent a usb audio interface for a few days eg behringer uphoria , and IF this works flawlessly then this suggests to moi the issue is with your current selected sound device.
This happened to me once. I was using a pci basic sound device , and once i replaced it with a usb device..probs gone. Maybe i’m wrong but there are many possible reasons for stuttering.
ymmv/best om
ps gary i just checked on the net. there are various user comments re stuttering re your chosen sound device. whether these apply to your situation dunno.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
OM, this may take a couple of days tom complete. I have an Edirol USB audio interface I can use. Not a good one.
My Audio is set for 44.1/24. It's set that way across all my applications. This problem has occurred with two different sound cards, the previous CMedia 8828, and the Creative Labs card. However, I don't see where this makes any difference in the actual regeneration of the backing tracks, either audio or MIDI, after the song starts.
All other applications that I have used outside of Band in a Box, including Cakewalk, work correctly with no stuttering. If there was something wrong with the audio card or drivers, then why isn't it happening outside of BIAB in other applications.
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
I've created a new song, and in the Song Settings dialog that is not checked, and last night there was severe interruptions to the song, but this morning, none, even unchecked.
Do you know if there is a global setting for that switch? I'll check with Support if I hear back from them, but I don't recall if there is not or not.
None of the tracks are frozen.
Anyway, that one box, checked or unchecked, this morning, doesn't seem to make a difference. I'll post if I have some new information
Thank you for your help.
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
Anyway, that one box, checked or unchecked, this morning, doesn't seem to make a difference. I'll post if I have some new information
Doesn't seem to make difference to what?
Do you see the track being regenerated on the Form Caption like you mentioned if the check box is checked or Do you still hear stuttering?
Exactly that is the difference you mention?
Hopefully, PG Music Support can help you to resolve.
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Believe me when i say i respect your presence on pg over the years.
I’m just trying to help via my own experiences over the years//problems running recording rigs.
The reason i asked bout 44.1/16 is from past posts here it seems some recording rigs have probs when 48khz is chosen as sampling rate. I would try 44.1/16 across all apps and see if any difference. I personally have no ‘stuttering’ probs.
As your prolly aware to keep it brief most music apps use the technique of ‘filling audio buffers’ before needed. Ie ‘look ahead’. Your prolly aware , but i’ll mention anyway….for other folks reading these forums new to bb…IF (from my experiences also in programming)...there is a problem filling the look ahead buffers , then stutters can occur. Its sorta like a car that ‘coughs’ if its not getting needed fuel.
You said ‘All other applications that I have used outside of Band in a Box, including Cakewalk, work correctly with no stuttering. If there was something wrong with the audio card or drivers, then why isn't it happening outside of BIAB in other applications.’
With greatest respect Ive found from many personal experiences with sound devices over the years one cant assume such.
Another question…. Do you get the ‘stuttering’ when ONLY bb is running and all other music apps are closed ? in addition have you run a latency monitor app ?
i'm just suggesting ideas to think about. as i said before it would help pg support prolly if you posted a pic of your bb settings...thus if ok..its something else off the possible problem source checklist.
Happiness//best. om
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Nice to see you back here. What is your default VSTi/DXi synth - is it Coyote or something else? Do you have a file AsstSettings.ini in your main bb folder - if so, remove it...
Hello Andrew, Nice to see you again. I hope all is well with your. Happy belated Canada Day.
I am not using DXi/VSTi synth, but the one selected is Cakewalk TTS
I do not see the asstsettings.ini file in my main BB folder
The problem that I'm having with this issue is that not only does it apply the RealTracks, but also MIDI tracks, or songs with a combination of MIDI and Real Drums. I am sure that it is not an audio issue, although it appears to be manifested that way because the playback/audio stops when the tracks try to regenerate. Jerry sent me an e-mail, and when I replied, I told him that I had one song went like 12-15 bars into the song, just fine, and then started to regenerate the tracks. You can not hit the stop button because it's in the process of regenerating the tracks, but eventually it will try to continue to play. But, moments later, when I tried playing that song again, it was doing the regen two bars into the song. So, there is no 'rhyme or reason' for the way this is behaving that I can point to and say 'When it reaches bar 9, it ALWAYS does this, because it doesn't.
It is infuriating, to say the least.
EDIT. I applied the RealTracks Slow Generation button Jerry selected. It was wonderful, right up to the 42 bar of the song when that very top line starting saying 'Generating Accompaniment' and the playback stopped and started and stopped and started.
I've already lost a lot of my hair, I can't afford to have this issue, I don't want to be bald! LOL :D:D:D
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
Anyway, that one box, checked or unchecked, this morning, doesn't seem to make a difference. I'll post if I have some new information
Doesn't seem to make difference to what?
You asked about the slow generation in the Song Settings. Checking or unchecking that box does not resolve the issue of the tracks regenerating once the song starts. But, the issue is that it doesn't follow any one particular pattern, so I can't say categorically that 'if I press play on this (or any) song, it will start to regenerate the backing tracks at bar 2'
Originally Posted By: AudioTrack
[quote]Do you see the track being regenerated on the Form Caption like you mentioned if the check box is checked or Do you still hear stuttering?
Yes, that is what I was trying to convey. I see that line will finish displaying all of the instrument parts being generated, the song will start, but then, regardless of the status of the Slow Generation switch, it may, or may not, have issues. This is why this is so confusing. The problem, for lack of a better description, is playing 'hide and seek' and it does not always manifest itself
Originally Posted By: AudioTrack
[quote]Exactly that is the difference you mention?
Hopefully, PG Music Support can help you to resolve.
Not sure what I said, but it sometimes will do this, other times will not. It also does the same thing for MIDI-only tracks where no RealTracks, including RealDrum tracks, are involved.
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
Welcome back Gary, I have a 12 year old pc myself with 12 GB Ram and biab 22 seems to run fine on it.
I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if it was mentioned before,
1 Exclude the bb folder from any anti-virus scan. 2 disable as many windows startup programs as possible in Task manager. 3 Try either rolling back the video driver or updating it, think that download installs a sound driver as well. 4 Try Asio4all and mess around with settings buffer size etc.
Hope you get it working asap Gary, good to see you.
Windows 10 (64bit) M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Band in a Box 2025, Cubase 14, Cakewalk and far too many VST plugins that I probably don't need or will ever use
I ran CCleaner as suggested earlier, and it did update a few drivers, but the Creative Labs driver is the latest off of their site. Not a whole lot on this computer that's running at any particular time. With BIAB running, 'normally', I'm getting 75%+ of available resources, so I don't think it's a processor unit. it's not the A/V program, I've tried that. So, I have no clue as to what it might be.
I probably should just get a new computer, but right now, money is ultra-tight and I don't have the money to do that.
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
2-Have you tried the registry part of cCleaner? Note some people say never use a registry cleaner but I have had no issues with cCleaner. cCleaner will ask if you want to make a registry backup prior to making any registry changes and I always do make a backup.
I say these may clear up your problem IF BiaB is actually addressing something that causes a regeneration that no other program activates in the identical way.
I know these are far out suggestions, especially the power supply one, but this is the only things I can think of that may cause your problem.
I hope this helps and good luck.
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Mario, I was able to capture a video yesterday of the problem. Song started out playing just fine, waited until the 27th bar to start glitching. Caught it on camera and sent it to PG Music. I'll see what they say.
However, having said that, I will run the memory test and the registry cleaner in CClean. Power supply is fairly new, a Seasonic, which I really trust, and 850 watts, so more than enough power to run the system.
It may very well be that I need a new computer, though. There may be issues on the motherboard or CPU that is causing the problems. Currently, I just don't have the money to get one. I'll run those tests tonight and see what I come up with.
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
Gary, I would think that if you had issues with the motherboard or CPU you would have issues with all of your software.
PS - I feel your pain as I need to purchase new computers if/when I have to go to Win 11 and money is real tight right now. Plus the short term future isn't looking very good right now either.
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One thing I have noticed, and I’ve come to change my mind over time about it, is the concept that BIAB should work well if your other audio software works well. I don’t think that’s true now. A comment from a PG Music staffer led me to realize that BIAB has a great deal going on that stresses a computer more than a DAW. Somewhere around the time more tracks were made available, I began to realize this. The CPU is the key for regenerating tracks. A DAW, on the other hand, can run out of memory with too many tracks and effects, but you can solve that by rendering tracks to audio.
Just a thought.
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Ive got time from my many family commitments..sigh… today…so what the hey i’m gonna go out on a limb , and maybe i’ll get ‘egg on my face’..lol…but ive set up many recording rigs over the years also for friends.
You said you have an edirol audio interface…model no ? Is it UE-1EX…like this one ?...
If the edirol works with bb, even tho’ you dont like it as you mentioned , then i feel the stuttering is down to choice of sound device. As i said before i googled on your current sound device your using,.. And found stuttering reported by some. On one thread it mentioned it might be a bios issueif i remember.
Irrespective, i also looked up your processor , while not the fastest around it has a passmark of above 5000. Ive run bb on such. (ps.. Preferably for daw work i recommend passmark of over 15000 and single thread of over 3000. cpubenchmark.net is very useful for checking various processors and eg stats on integer math and other processing stats. usefull if you choose a new pc.)
What i would do, as i said before is rent a behringer euphoria for a week... Should cost hardly anything in your area from a reputable store, and see if stuttering disappears. If it DOES then you might considering using a different sound device than the one your useing.
There is a list of sound devices devices that work well with pg products in the realband forum, and if you need a multi client device see a thread i started in the tips n’ tricks area.
Hope you get it sorted mate. om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
I had an inexpensive sound card in there with digital S/PDIF Optical in and out. That card was giving me other troubles, so I just put a Creative Labs Z SE card in there. There is no change in the stuttering.
I have tried MME, ASIO and WAS and all three exhibit the same issue. I'm going to assume that it is not the audio card, although I won't rule it out completely.
I have an Edirol USB audio interface I can use. Not a good one.
I grabbed these from 3 posts of yours on this thread. Sounds like you have at least 2 if not 3 cards. I don't know the model numbers (and drivers they use) of any of them because you didn't reveal that info. That could be helpful. You said you replaced an inexpensive card with a creative card. You might have simply replaced one card that can't handle it with another card that can't handle it and doing that didn't resolve the problem. Kinda like replacing a bad spark plug with another bad spark plug in an engine. It's still not going to work right.
So... years ago, I was pretty active in the Cakewalk forums and helped quite a few new folks get started. If there's one fact that I know.... You gotta have a GOOD, SOLID, NATIVE ASIO running, interface. One of the big things we came up against was Sound blasters, Lab something or other, and Creative cards (oh yeah and UNO midi cables and lets not forget USB condenser mics... but I digress) and people trying to use them and having issues. Trying to run them with ASIO (didn't work cause the card couldn't handle it) or MME, or ASIO4ALL, again, a fail.... I know you say your CW works well and has no issues. you have 2 computers and this issue is with the desktop machine. the laptop is working.
If there's any way you can get your hands on something like a Focusrite Scarlett or something from Presonus.... load ASIO and try that, I'd be curious to know how that works. Borrow one from a friend locally if that's possible. Having a known good interface and solid ASIO drivers will eliminate that as the cause. I know what it's like trying to run a DAW machine with old gear that barely plays mp3 files.... Been there.
What has me puzzled about this as I kept skimming your thread was you mentioned that after you hit PLAYBACK it starts and then randomly starts regenerating the tracks in differing places in the song and that's when the stuttering starts. That right there is really bizarre. That makes me think its a corrupted file in BB. But then again.... if you are running on your laptop and it runs fine and it's the same exact BB and build.... it's gotta be something in the machine itself or the interface/driver. Gotta be.
It's difficult enough to troubleshoot a single problem but if you have two things messing you up that is exponentially harder to resolve. But I think it's just one thing and when you find it you'll be running smooth.
Anyway.... good luck. I'm sure you will eventually get it sorted out. When you do can you please let us know what was causing this? Thanks.
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