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Hi, there has been a few recent posts about missing real tracks.
Having purchased Ultra Pack 2022 thought I would have all that is available but hopefully this screen shot will open for you and show I am missing quite a few.
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Have you updated to the latest build of 2022? The most recent version download can be found on this page. Then do a Rebuild of the StylePicker.
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Dead link.
Pretty sure that no matter what spec BB you have inc Ultra etc it will NOT include any Extra styles packs or XPro packs (you buy them separately as Extras) and any Bonus packs issued annually with earlier versions.
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Sorry sixchannell, are you sure or just pretty sure that your assumption is correct.
I thought there I purchased all the real tracks available.
If you know for sure, let’s know.
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Here's a working copy of the link As has been correctly mentioned, many of the Xtra Styles and Xtra paks are just as they state: 'extras', and not necessarily included in the main product purchase (Pro, Mega, Ultra, Audiophile etc).
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Thanks Audio Track …will try that update, but have had this 2022 version since it was released.
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Here's a working copy of the link As has been correctly mentioned, many of the Xtra Styles and Xtra paks are just as they state: 'extras', and not necessarily included in the main product purchase (Pro, Mega, Ultra, Audiophile etc). ... though I believe they are in the OmniPAK.
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... though I believe they are in the OmniPAK. I'm pretty sure you are correct Gordon. But with so much ongoing user confusion with the paks and contents and extras and what's in and what's out, I didn't feel safe to go that far  Thanks for your bravery! 
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I’m not sure. Aren’t there some purchases, as mentioned, that appear as a one-time bonus? Are they available if you didn’t buy them at the time? Has that question ever been answered?
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I’m not sure. Aren’t there some purchases, as mentioned, that appear as a one-time bonus? Are they available if you didn’t buy them at the time? Has that question ever been answered? That's another good question of which I do not know the answer. Previously, some items have certainly been promoted as having limited availability (I think).
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I’m not sure. Aren’t there some purchases, as mentioned, that appear as a one-time bonus? Are they available if you didn’t buy them at the time? Has that question ever been answered? That's another good question of which I do not know the answer. Previously, some items have certainly been promoted as having limited availability (I think). I wish a representative of PGMusic would answer these questions once and for all. This topic has come up a number of times and I think PGMusic owes it to its customers to answer these question and to put that answer on the package page.
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It's generally a good idea to update from the factory fresh version to get the first couple of updates. This is especially true if you are experiencing any kind of issue that seems abnormal.
There's no need to update if your version is doing everything you want and expect from it. But if you have weird things going on or a missing something or other, do the updates.
This has fixed more than on issue with my copy.
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FWIW I think PGMusic has indeed spoken on this issue. Various extras offered in a given year may or may not be included in the next year's product. So knowing that, it's a definite maybe.  /I didn't like the answer either // but I do think the list should be accessible/available /// I also think the 'missing' list should account for the version you have, as in 'you have all the stuff that came with your version, but here's some other stuff you might be interested in' type of approach .. plus I made it to three slashies!
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Well, thanks for clearing this up, Bob!
You and I have been here among the longest, and we aren’t sure how to advise people definitively. I think that says we do need a better description of what’s what.
Over the decades, I bought most but not all that was offered. I have no way of knowing what I did not buy may or may not be included in later versions. Is it good business to charge for some extra, only to roll it into the regular package in future versions? I don’t think so, and it’s my impression with no data to back this up, that they did not do this often.
I like the suggestions that What Add-Ins Do I Have could be refined. It could show what should be installed based on what you bought (a tough one unless you bought from PG Music and connect to their records of your account).
Ideally this would also show what products you don’t have along with a way to purchase them.
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Just thinking out loud but XtraStyle PAKs and XproStyle PAKs are about style collections, not RealTracks. Also per the +++ OmniPAK webpage +++ there is nothing said about additional RealTracks. The PG Music OmniPAK Audiophile Edition is full of amazing music production and creativity programs, hundreds of songs for fun and learning, reams of music to view and print, PLUS volumes of documentation, biographies, and trivia. Everyone, except rharv, talks about how confusing PG Music marketing is but when someone asks a question about RealTracks the response is about styles and accessories. 
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FWIW .. Purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2021 49-PAK, and you'll receive 40 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, MultiStyles PAK 1, .. (bold is my emphasis) There are indeed occasions where you may get RTs that may or may not be released later Jim, I didn't change over to styles vs RTs at all in my response https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.bonuspaks_2021.htm Is it good business to charge for some extra, only to roll it into the regular package in future versions? I don’t think so, and it’s my impression with no data to back this up, that they did not do this often. Matt, yes we have been here forever and it is unclear at times, but I am sure PGMusic has stated that sometimes the 49Pak stuff gets released later, but the benefit is you get it it 'now' so I do not see how this is a bad business practice. That's why most people do not have ALL the RTs .. you would have had to get 'everything' since day one. My guess is neither you nor I have 'everything', even though I got the EverythingPak back when it was a thing ..
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Exactly. That is my guess also. That's why I don't answer those questions about "how many styles should I have" or "how many RealTracks should I have".
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The answers are sprinkled in through this thread. To summarize, the UltraPAK and higher includes all of the RealTracks sets, and RealTracks are a different type of add-on from Styles. The Xtra Styles PAKs and XPro styles PAKs are not included in the main Band-in-a-Box PAKs. The Omni is the exception because this PAK includes the Xtras as well as other software that is not related to Band-in-a-Box. Occasionally there have been special offers in the past, for those who qualify, where they can get the UltraPAK and the Xtra Styles for a reduced price. To know if you have the Xtras, you can check the My Products page of your account, or contact us directly and we can double check your records.
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The answers are sprinkled in through this thread. Hopefully this is not the dumbest of questions. But are these add-ons forward compatible? For example, if I were to purchase an UltraPak or an XtraStyles say in 2022 would they be compatible and usable with BiaB 2024?
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The answers are sprinkled in through this thread. To summarize, the UltraPAK and higher includes all of the RealTracks sets, and RealTracks are a different type of add-on from Styles. The Xtra Styles PAKs and XPro styles PAKs are not included in the main Band-in-a-Box PAKs. The Omni is the exception because this PAK includes the Xtras as well as other software that is not related to Band-in-a-Box. Occasionally there have been special offers in the past, for those who qualify, where they can get the UltraPAK and the Xtra Styles for a reduced price. To know if you have the Xtras, you can check the My Products page of your account, or contact us directly and we can double check your records. Thanx so much for clearing this up Chantelle. This information should be pined at the top of the BiaB forum and on the packages page. Edit - typo
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New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
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Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
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New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
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Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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