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Hi Tugger
I do understand your concern with rude replies as I had also stopped using this forum for a time - and then I thought why should I let a few ruin what the majority do in a good and helpful way - including good people like Matt - the John's - Gary - Bob and many more
It would be useful to be able to filter out those who offend you so that you can fully enjoy the wonderful experience as it must be remembered that the forum is a facility that PG Music allows and the only official content from them is PG Music staff posts which are the most accurate
Posters must remember that what other posters write can be read in different ways by different people
I always post as my signature the details of my set up so that readers can be well informed - it could save a lot of time in trying to give suggestions to solve the problems than going backwards and forwards squeezing out the details needed
Brian
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Thanks for those replies, Matt & Jazzman, really made a big difference.
For information, my setup down here in Australia is as a one man band, with backing tracks recorded through Powertrax. Only thing I was going to use BIAB for was to play the same backing tracks, but hoping to improve a bit with a slightly better sound & big lyrics sheet, while possibly avoiding the few MIDI issues encountered with PT.
Problem I had was that some of my tracks, the ones downloaded then heavily edited, while playing fine in PT from bar 1 to bar whatever, in BIAB seemed to start in a different way, sometimes starting at bar 8 or 9.
Not a big deal at all, I now realise that BIAB is probably not suited to my needs, but PT does the job admirably, and after so long, I know it well.
I shall continue to be a member of this forum, & hopefully can assist some newcomers to Powertrax in the future.
Simon
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1. Communication is 10 percent verbal. You can't get the rest on a computer screen.
2. Some people come across as D and the X(asses) some of us can be go ,. Whoa, RTFM that's page 1.
3. I for one can be suspicious of questions that should go to support come here, and suspect someone got a bitstream and is ..well you get it.
4. Without knowing everything from a one man band setup, We cant' begin to give advice. We have all midi guys, all RealTracks guys, guys who use a b c through Z.
Some have small investments, others have big rigs.
So list the computer, operating system, sound card, type of amp, mics, speakers, type of music, an example of where you play, give us the real dope.
I'm the high end guy, bought the 4k Bose, keyboard not on through, embed stuff in a Band in a Box track to control a Voice box, just bought an EWI 6000s, the wife plays flute, I got a new Audix Mic that is great.
I have lots of songs, over 10,000 songs in Band in a Box format.
I've used PT, and can't imagine using it unless you are recording mp3's or wave files. With a click of a button you can change your bassist, lay things out, and drag the whole shebang from latest version of Band in a Box into Powertracks. Even some of the realtracks have real midi notation, so if you are doing a jazz piece and Peter's award winning brother did the jazz guitar you can pull that as midi into Realtracks or PowerTracks or any other DAW and tweak it.
I watched a video on the EWI the other day and the guy said I'm doing this so because so many people send the thing back, and you just need a hand up.
Stick out the hand, one bad day with someone does not an experience make.
I teach part time (or taught that's a long story), hospitality industry workers.
A customer walks in the bar alone. Sits down, and she goes over to him, chewing gum, Ya waddaya want, looking at her nails.
or Puts a hand on his shoulder, gets to eye level, and says, Hi, how are you, I'm Susie, and smiles.
BTW, the guys is having trouble at home, trouble at work, and health issues. Who's most in line to get a nice tip and a repeat customer?
We can't control your experience here, but an understanding of human nature can go a long way...to getting to where you want to go.....
Guy walks into a bar with a parrot..NEVER MIND.
John Conley
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Thanks for the help all. I did try to read what looked "most pertinent" in the 257 page manual. Frankly the quik start could be a LOT better. I guess maybe I bought the wrong product according to some... I thought I could create my own tracks as well as use canned tracks if I chose to. Maybe I can with the workarounds mentioned. thanks again
If you really have no experience at all with Biab then yeah, that manual is a bear.
You didn't buy the wrong product, there's nothing else in the software music world that does this. Also, these suggestions are not workarounds, they're features. The term workaround implies there's something wrong but here's how to work around it. That's not the case with what you're asking about. Peter Gannon is the man, do exactly what he said including using Real Band. To me RB is better than Biab for what I do. Much more flexible, many more options and then there's this from you:
"I thought I could create my own tracks as well as use canned tracks if I chose to."
Absolutely, that is what RB was created to do except it has 48 tracks to work with for your own tracks instead of Biab's two. As has already been said Biab will do what you want but RB is much more and since you're starting out with both anyway, learn them both at the same time. Try Biab for maybe a half hour or so, see what you come up with then switch to RB and do the same thing. Just remember RB is it's own separate program and the configuration and setup is different from Biab. Big point, RB can access and generate every Real Track or Real Drum part that Biab can. RB will open a Biab song file so you don't have to recreate the chord grid. It will automatically put the Biab tracks in blue at the top of the track screen for reference but you have 40 more blank tracks to use below them. If you're not importing a Biab song, there's a checkbox to release those 8 Biab tracks at the top for use as regular recording tracks. Even that is a bit tricky to explain right now, just accept that that is a very flexible option depending on what you're trying to do. You can keep those first 8 tracks as strictly Biab tracks and use them just like you would Biab or not, your choice. You can also simply right click any other empty track and generate a Biab part for that one track only.
As to your original question, you can write your own bass parts in RB no problem and combine it with many different Biab tracks, maybe other midi tracks you imported from another midi file or your own recorded parts but you could also write several different bass parts each on it's own track in order to test them. You mentioned drums, how would you like to create say 3 or 4 different drum tracks each using a different Biab style and mix parts of them together in order to create one killer drum track? Can't touch that in Biab but I do that all the time with RB. It is very flexible but certainly confusing at first.
Watch the video's, they're the easiest to understand, play around with it and come back here with more questions.
Bob
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Swivel,
I don't think you bought the wrong product either. On the other hand, the learning curve on this stuff is daunting.
Let's go back and recap a little bit
1. Band In A Box automatically generates new parts each time you press the play button. So, any work that you've done modifying the bass track will get wiped out. You can press the RePlay button, and it should not change.
2. Saving the file will not, to my knowledge, save an edited track, UNLESS that track is either the Soloist or Melody track. Those can and are saved.
3. Dragging tracks, edited or not, to Real Band (which you should have included in your purchase) will allow you to edit and save those tracks. You can drag other tracks from BIAB to Real Band, saving all of them as 'static files.'
4. In Real Band, you can also use Real Tracks for non-bass tracks, if you wish.
You *do* have the right program, you just need to learn how to best adapt it to your needs.
Gary
I'm blessed watching God do what He does best. I've had a few rough years, and I'm still not back to where I want to be, but I'm on the way and things are looking far better now than what they were!
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Well swivel a few things first.
1. You didn't read any of the sales lit
2. You need to read the manuals
The whole idea of BIAB is to generate canned parts. If you edit parts that are MIDI and part of a style they will indeed revert back to the "canned" part when you hit play. If you want to make changes to these MIDI "canned" parts you must freeze the track first and then it won't change. I wouldn't get too hung up on this though because if you're like most of us you'll want to use Real Tracks & Real Drums and those can't be changed.
Read the book please
I answered the guy right off the bat with how to do what he wanted to do however because I dared to suggest he also read the manual I'm the biggest A**hole to walk the planet.
If you open the manual in the bb folder and type in "freeze tracks" it jumps to a very nice explanation of how to do that. I mean should I have retyped all that ? or copy and paste?
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I agree John, I thought your reply was ok just a bit blunt is all. This from the guy who has done exactly the same on occasion and caused some consternation. Sometimes when I do that it's because I had just composed my first draft of an answer and my first draft can be a little strong, then I got interupted so I hit continue rather than taking a second look first. I'm making an effort to soften my approach a little.
Bob
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Too Cool, Peter! Thanks for pulling that tutorial. I have been spending all of my time learning BIAB that I put down Real Band until I got better with BIAB. However, based on this tutorial it looks like RB will do some things that I have been wanting to do along with the visual screens to see the parts as they play. I particularly liked the "Fade record" function where you lowered the mandolin solo at the end. One of the reasons I have not used solos is because often times their endings do not seem to resolve the way I want them to. With this, I can fade the solo during the track without having to either play the solo to the end to fade or accept the break where I stop the solo.
I do have a suggestion on your tutorials. Because they have been very resourceful for folks like me, would it be possible to add some new ones that speak of the features that are new to 2010 as well? I suppose that may be for the Wish List board. Sorry.
Thanks,
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Aw Come on now John, you not the biggest A**hole on the planet ...............
-----Ducks and hides!------
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Wow he can't have my moniker. It's reserved for me. It's mine. And we can share the curmudgeon part, depending on the level of
a) sugar
b) no sugar
c) beverages that alter one's attitude
d) lack of c.
e) what you might ingest or inhale
f) what you didn't of the above.
geez I take white pills to calm me down, somedays the wife looks at me at noon, goes and gets the pill box and danged if they aren't there, untouched.
then I wake up in the morning and I've posted something after my hockey team got smeared and I took it out on some poor guy who's version that's 10 years old sounds like crap.
And on it goes.
I think we are all human, but I for one expect Silvertones to live up to his actual name, silver..tones. No bad tones, just peal those bells. Or did your's like the famous one get a crack!
(my turn to duck)
wait I forgot Mack, he's from that other planet....unless he can prove that like those in my family who are former Lords of the Isles he has the hairs stand on the back of his neck when the bagpipes creep across the burn through the mist calling us up the hill.....
No I know he's from the planet perfection, no wrong answers there....
That's how I got so many posts, just used to type, this is a start but wait until Mac shows up and he'll explain it...better...properly...
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Yep, some of the answers can be pretty far off from what is asked. Sometimes what seems simple to users who have used the software for years is extremly difficult and it seems that sometimes we can't really answer the question because we miss the point of the question. It is to simple for us to comprehend.
As to the idea of doing work arounds the thing is that this really doesn't require a work around at all. It'll help Swival, if you understand that you got two programs for the price of one. Real Band is a stand alone sequencer with some of band-in-a-box features in it. BUT Real Band and BIAB are two different programs. They work well together and both can use real tracks, midi tracks, and Audio tracks.
For what you want to do, I think most of us here would recommend using Real Band and coming back to BIAB later when you start getting into the need for something more complex in the way of auto generation. In the meantime believe those here that tell you that you got the best package on the market for making your music.
And yes, it is that hard. Thats one of the reason colleges are now coming up with music tech degrees. Those programs are all about learning how to use these very powerful tools.
Best of luck . and keep at it. It will make sense in a short while. Don't give up and put the programs on the shelf like I did for years and miss out on making the music thats in you.
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John, I'm 100% pure blooded French Canadian. I have an excuse. 
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I think you need to go home. Sugar Pie, Tortiere, some Laurentians, free health care, and if it's really in you it's coming back. Don't lock the door, walk in the neighbours house with a bottle of wine, and laugh yer butt off. Even here I have the french community all around me.
The wife has forgotten her language, (not me), but she's still mostly that way. The cultural part runs contrary to even English Canada, we are like some tight butt people. I would say the difference is open vrs closed, hospitable vrs reserved, spur of the moment vrs lets wait, and not so much anymore for me, but the weekend starts at Friday noon and I'd better get some shuteye on Sunday afternoon, I have to go to work in a few hours....
The fiery part is part time, you punch each other out, and then drink beers with black eyes. Hard to convey on a forum. You never get to the booze LOL. (or the being nice equivalent.)
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
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Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
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- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
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Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
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Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
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Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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