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Simple request - please extend MultiRiffs to drum tracks! It's by far the most useful addition to BiaB in the years I've been using it, but it's a little frustrating not to have the same control over the drum tracks.

Sorry if this has been requested already (I'd be surprised if it hasn't), but couldn't find anything on a search.

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This is a good idea for those whom use RDs so

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re Drums.

please see my past wishes in the wishes fora and includeing being able to load drum sounds into a sample player triggered..say in realband.

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If you have reaper this will give you total control of what drum track you need.

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+1

A silly question, do existing RD's have enough material for those Multi Riffs?

Hmm... Even if not, there might be a way to make something up with combination of A/B parts and separate drum stems of RD's for Multiriff variety.

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YES PLUS more, more, more multitrack versions.


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Before I upgrade to 2023, can anyone confirm whether this feature has been added? Couldn't see it in the summary of new features, but hoping it's been snuck in...

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It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ?
There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out.

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Originally Posted By: musocity
It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ?
There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out.


Thanks for that - helpful response! But very disappointed that it's not been included in the new version.

It would be good to at least have a response from PG Music about this, because at the moment I can't see any reason why RealTracks can be partially regenerated but not RealDrums? Are they particularly different? They seem to be the same thing in essence.

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Originally Posted By: Mike02392
Originally Posted By: musocity
It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ?
There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out.


It would be good to at least have a response from PG Music about this, because at the moment I can't see any reason why RealTracks can be partially regenerated but not RealDrums? Are they particularly different? They seem to be the same thing in essence.


I suspect this is due to the way the program has evolved over time, realdrums were introduced before realtracks and both features were developed independently.

But yes, I agree with the fact that, as much as possible, both should behave the same manner and share the same pickers and options. The fact that there are so many different track types (each one using different pickers, filters, options and features not because a design decision but because the way they have been introduced over time) is, IMO, one of the main reasons why people consider BIAB a difficult and counter-intuitive program.

So yes, +1 here (and yes, this has been asked before)

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Same with a UseTrack:
Originally Posted By: musocity
The Button Main RT Alt RT should change when the selected track is a UserTrack or RealDrums
Main RT
Alt RT
Main RD
Alt RD
Main UT
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I hope the Drum Riffs and UserTrack riffs are put in before next year.
If not here a few options:

In Realband you have more control but it takes so much longer, if it was made to work like Reaper it would be INSTANT.
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Having the sfz sample sets now for RealDrums this should work well:
RealDrum Solos, Rolls
If you just generate up DRUMSOLJ.STY export the midi drum file and import it to a Utility track in the Biab with RealDrums, set a section where you want a solo by enabling Playable Track then copy and paste the notes in from the midi drum solo that is on the Utility track, you can solo the Util track to find the riff you like.

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Biab Drums in Reaper will give full editing control
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=260677
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4mu71bmk1d2a8hf/Reaper-Biab-Drums-GUI.mp4?dl=0

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https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=717674#Post717674
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I'd love to see this functionality as well!

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I don't think this has been added in the 2024 update frown I thought I'd read somewhere that it had, but I can't seem to do it so re-requesting.

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Originally Posted by Mike02392
I don't think this has been added in the 2024 update frown I thought I'd read somewhere that it had, but I can't seem to do it so re-requesting.

It has been added and advertised as a new feature, but it doesn't work, it just regenerates the entire drum track.

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Disappointed to see this hasn't been included in the 2025 update. Can still only partially regenerate RealTracks, not RealDrums frown

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You can use the RealTrack Edit Mode now to cut copy move resize, though you can't copy the section to a new track, if it had that then you could build up your drum track just how you like.

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I made up one for Reaper that you could add a drum riff but the source tracks had riffs recorded in them

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I don't know how you would do the multiriff drums as they just play patterns for different sections see text below of a drum style.

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dbAdjust=-10
MULTIBARPATTERNPERCENT=60
Pushamount8=40
Pushamount16=30
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pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,9
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,17
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,2   ;7 bars
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,10
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,18
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,10
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,18
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,3   ;6 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,6,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,5,4   ;5 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,8,5,12
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,5,20
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,1   ;4 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,4,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,4,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,4,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,4,4
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,4,5
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,5
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,9
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,4,13
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,17
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,4,21
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,21
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,2     ;3 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,10
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,1   ;2 bars
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,2,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,2,4
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,2,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,2,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,6,2,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,2,7
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,9 
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,2,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,13
pattern,Normal,a,2,3,2,15
pattern,PreFill,a,5,0,2,15
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,17
pattern,Normal,a,3,3,2,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,21
pattern,Normal,a,3,3,2,23
pattern,PreFill,a,5,0,2,23
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,1,1   ;1 bar
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,4
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,6,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,7,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,8,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,9
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,10
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,12
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,13
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,14
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,15
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,16
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,1,17
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,18
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,20
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,21
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,22
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,23
pattern,Normal,a,3,4,1,24
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,24
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pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,8,41
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,26   ;7 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,34
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,42
;pattern,Normal,b,3,6,7,34
;pattern,Normal,b,3,6,7,42
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,27   ;6 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,35  
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,43
;pattern,Normal,b,3,7,6,43
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,28   ;5 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,36   
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,44
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,25 ;4 bars
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,29
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,33
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,37
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,41
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,4,45
pattern,PostFill,b,8,0,2,25   ;2 bars
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,27
pattern,PostFill,b,1,0,2,29 
;pattern,Normal,b,5,1,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,0,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,3,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,5,2,30
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,31
pattern,PostFill,b,4,0,2,33
;pattern,Normal,b,5,1,2,34  
;pattern,Normal,b,5,0,2,34
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,35
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,2,37
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,2,34
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,39
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,2,41
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,43
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,2,45
pattern,PreFill,b,5,3,2,47
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,25   ;1 bar
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,27
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,27
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,28
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,31
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,31
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,32
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,33   
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,34
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,34
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,35
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,36
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,37
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,38
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,39
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,40
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,41
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,42
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,43
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,44
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,45
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,46
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,47
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,48
pattern,Ending,0,5,0,2,49    ;2 bars
pattern,Ending,0,5,0,2,51    ;2 bars 
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,53
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,54
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,55
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,56
Shot,0,56,478,344,5,110   ;kick
Shot,0,57,343,248,3,100   ;snare
Shot,1,58,112,340,3,80   ;crash and kick 1
Shot,1,59,412,440,3,80   ;crash and Snare
Shot,1,61,226,400,4,90   ;crash2 and kick 
Shot,1,57,343,230,1,100   ;snare

;this style uses 65 bars. 20 megs 

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Originally Posted by Mike02392
Disappointed to see this hasn't been included in the 2025 update. Can still only partially regenerate RealTracks, not RealDrums frown

It did get fixed in 2024 version but is only available from Realdrums in the multipicker. It sort of works but not great. I'm not bothering with 2025 but there's no mention of it being improved so it's probably done and forgotten with now.

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You can use DRUMSOLJ.STY and Force Midi Drums, you can generate up a midi drum solo track in another instance of Biab with PlayableRealDrums enabled, play through to find the riffs or rolls you like then just highlight those bars on the Chord Sheet, now drag the Drum track at the top of BB to the MID Drop, when green drag and drop into the other instance of Biab choose the track and position and check "Merge with existing data".
You can import any section from any midi file drums you may have.
You can also use a VST like EZDrummer, just drag export the midi solos from Biab DRUMSOLJ.STY into EZDrummer users library.
You can change the Sforzando VST in the PayableRealDrums track to EZDrummer and it will play the midi drums in the EZDrummer track where you have the green mute sections in the BB Piano Roll, if you want the same sample set as Sforzando then you need to use ElementVST to chain Sforzando with the same sample set it was using after EZDrummer and set EZDrummer to just send it's midi out to Sforzando.
As we still can't chain VSTi in Biab VST Handling Fixes Needed

See EZKeys EZBass EZDrummer Jamstix Playable RealTracks

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Thanks for the suggestions, folks. I do already have my workaround which is just to export a bunch of regens into my DAW and select the parts I like from different takes, but it would be so much faster for my workflow if I could just F8 it like I do with the RealTracks.

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We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!

Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.

XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!

Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!

Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

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