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SONG TITLE : Nov CollaborationARTIST : Just waiting on the singer & lead player.CAVEATemptor...this is long and has a significant tail. You may care to tell me when the fade out should get to out. **BEFORE PLAYING THE SONG PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING.**This isn't loud yet. Use speakers if possible. BackstoryThis story is in the back The partsBIAB provided
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Gospel vocals though they needed a LOT of work to fitThe rest is me with the addition, I only do it on this style of song it seems, of some lap steel tuned to EBEG#BE so that the detuned parts sound better. I had to reset the intonation on the guitars for this - seems they've been out for some time. Vantage bass through a BDI21 Epiphone Sheraton II and Squire Bullet Mustang through my Marshall amp. Bruno Royal Artist through a Yamaha FX500 Mellotron Flute files added 4x12 mic'd with a 57 & a 609 El Cheapo SX Lapsteel through a Big Fluff into a Pignose with the 57. LOTS of delay. The interfaceSSL 2 The DAWReaper The monitorsADAMS T7Vs WARNINGMy draft vocals. I don't like to sing - this is one of them. In summary This is more in wint'ry HERE'S THE LINK Noc Collab I've applied the suggestions made thus far and kept some of them. I've worked out an end point but haven't applied it yet -- still tinkering with it. I added Gospel vocals in spots. That was difficult as the RT was tracked at 75bpm and I'm running 60. It was listed as the bottom of range for the RT however it warbles very unmusically. I scanned it with Melodyne and reduced the drift to a little less than a semitone, (it was MUCH larger), and it sits far better. I tried adding punch to the snare & kick. I also tried retracking the vocal but I had the same issues...I'm singing UP to the note, mainly from a correct place but the result sounds tuned and when tidied with tuning sounds even worse. Here's the update UPDATE 04 12 NOTE:I'm looking for a 'forensic analysis' as it is still AWIP any and all suggestions will be attempted. Have at it! WORD Thingy:You insist that we exist, In language of the pragmatist, But knowing doesn't make it so. Before we learn it's time to go. Shhh, don't say it aloud, Nothing that could make you proud. What you say is taken down, And recited when they take your crown. What you feel and what you see, are nothing more than things that we, Conjure for a farewell kiss, While we're astride our own abyss. Shhh, don't say it out loud, Conversations are a thundercloud. What you say is taken down, And recited when you're far from town. Hush, keep it in your head. No, you're no better off dead. What you say is taken down, And restated in your wedding gown. Waking from some reality, To find it wasn't meant to be. Knowing something, making plans: All is nothing when the barcode scans. Shhh, don't say it out loud, Conversations aren't allowed. What you say is taken down, And recited at your time to drown
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I saw the 8:30, and thought... Yikes! This really puts the "extended" in "Pygmy Beat Extended". At the 7:30 mark, it had a long fade on distortion. I guess if you're going for a long song, you're going all in?  I like the Pink Floyd vibe. Not sold on the melody - rhythmically repetitious, with no discernible chorus for a lazy listener like to me latch onto. The vocal is too far under the music for me to easily make out. It'll be interesting to see what another vocalist brings to the song.
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At the 7:30 mark, it had a long fade on distortion. I guess if you're going for a long song, you're going all in?
The majority of my songs have a feedback fade out. This one has the fade out built from a semi acoustic guitar, a Big Fluff pedal, a 4x12 cab and VOLUME. It was the 1st guitar part recorded and proceeds for the entire song lifting and dropping as needed or as it sounded best. Still a WIP so I haven't decided where/when the silence wins as yet. Not sold on the melody - rhythmically repetitious, with no discernible chorus for a lazy listener like to me latch onto. Yep, melody and it's rhythm repeat - it is deliberate - "honest". The vague hypnotic vibe thing needs it. The chorus, well, to my ears it does but they are both jaded and subject to the "repetition = truth" thing. I'll look into the changes though. It'll be interesting to see what another vocalist brings to the song. Ditto...collaboration with the intention of introducing new ideas as well as talent. Thanks, a few things for me to contemplate and work on whilst waiting for the external input. Stay safe.
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Hi Ray,
Love the intro! The lap steel sounds great and I like your bass work too.
Read Davids comments, for me I have no problem with the melody, perfect for the song I think, it suits the rhythmic trance thing you have happening.
I actually didn't find it that long surprisingly enough, you have enough things going on to hold my attention.
Plus, I listened to LOTS of Pink Floyd and all those types of bands back in the day, and this fits right in.
I think I would end it around 7:35, with a short fade into that feedback bit.
Cool work, looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
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Hi Ray
Sounds really cool to me already.
Good idea to make the development of a song accessible to all.
I also like the length of the song.
Because it also offers plenty of variety
Great work Ray
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You've posted a lot of Floydish songs and this is the most Floydish I've heard from you yet. When I saw the time length it concerned me, but you supplied lots of ear candy along the journey. I agree with Dave on the ending. In general, I might wish for a shorter song if at all possible. But I understand now, having done a few slow pieces, how hard that can be to do.
Lyrics were intriguing as always. The wedding gown line threw off the imagery in my head, I suddenly had to conjure a female and up to that point things were vaguely gender free. Might just be my own hangup, I certainly admit to that possibility.
With a strong vocal, this might be your best yet that I've heard. Hope you find the right person.
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Well, you know if you cut out the count-in, you'd shave off a good 7 seconds, and using cut-time could make it almost radio-ready. HAHA I am so glad you don't write your songs for radio, Ray. I really really like this, and you know I'd be keyed on that bass. You do it all so well, but I really like your choices on bass. Great tone and timing. Man, I love your lyrics as always. I started typing here when the feedback started. Ok. Master it. Make it loud. No warning labels required.
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Hi Ray,
I think this is your longest song. And very intriguing too!
The connection to Pink Floyd was indeed quickly made. I even had Atom hearth mother in mind.
At the end of your song, starting at 7:30 I expected something like "marmalade, I like marmalade"like they did.
I like the melody, the build of the song and all the things that happened underway.
Your vocals made me a bit confused. Have you used a pitch changer in it? And you did hide them again.
On the other hand the whispering was very cool. I really liked that.
And also your lyrics. Complicated, but very nice.
No, I don't think the song is too long. It needs to be this long because of all that is happening.
Very good project, Ray!
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Hi Ray,
Love the intro! The lap steel sounds great and I like your bass work too.
Read Davids comments, for me I have no problem with the melody, perfect for the song I think, it suits the rhythmic trance thing you have happening.
I actually didn't find it that long surprisingly enough, you have enough things going on to hold my attention.
Plus, I listened to LOTS of Pink Floyd and all those types of bands back in the day, and this fits right in.
I think I would end it around 7:35, with a short fade into that feedback bit.
Cool work, looking forward to seeing how this progresses. Thanks Dave, time point noted. Yes, it's not radio or time poor friendly in length or tonality is it? Lap steel always does my head in when I sit down with it, BUT I soon remember the right tuning, (I've decided to write it down & leave it in the case from now), and to have the steel right over the "fret" and the rest, at my skill & use level, is both fun & easy.
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Hi Ray
Good idea to make the development of a song accessible to all.
Andi ;-) Thanks Andi, I'd be a goose to pass up the ears & ideas of forum members so post songs in development quite often.
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You've posted a lot of Floydish songs and this is the most Floydish I've heard from you yet.
... I suddenly had to conjure a female and up to that point things were vaguely gender free. Might just be my own hang up, I certainly admit to that possibility.
With a strong vocal, this might be your best yet that I've heard. Hope you find the right person. Thank you, Yes, about every third song of late...must be a need to expel those aural ghosts. The switch to gown was done after some thinking...not intended as a gender selection idea but as a stop, rethink point...I had my own ideas about what the song related to as the lyrics developed, and decided to toss that in the air. seems it worked. Yes, a good vocal would be a good thing.
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Well, you know if you cut out the count-in, you'd shave off a good 7 seconds, and using cut-time could make it almost radio-ready. HAHA I am so glad you don't write your songs for radio, Ray. I really really like this, and you know I'd be keyed on that bass. You do it all so well, but I really like your choices on bass. Great tone and timing. Man, I love your lyrics as always. I started typing here when the feedback started. Ok. Master it. Make it loud. No warning labels required. Nirvana released "radio friendly unit shifter" in '93...wow almost THIRTY years ago. They started with the howl. Thanks for your kind words. I worried about the bass until I found I had intonation problems with my guitars. From that point I left the bass alone. Seems that was a good move. I could stop & print now but I do have a singer and a guitarist in the wings and am waiting for their tracks.
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Hat 7:30 I expected something like "marmalade, I like marmalade"like they did.
Have you used a pitch changer in it? And you did hide them again.
No, I don't think the song is too long. It needs to be this long because of all that is happening.
Hans, The last couple of psych/prog tracks I did have a tag at the end so I thought I'd best skip it for a change. The vocals are, at some points tidied with Rea Tune, but not pitch shifted. Hidden - yes, becasue they aren't intended as the final vocal. Long it is but I stay awake and that's what works for me.
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Ray, I am certainly no expert on the psych/prog genre. I did listen to all 8 min and it grabbed me. I like the bass playing and all the little ear catching things going on. The lap steel is cool. The thing that I would work on is the drum sound. Maybe CLA drums or Neutron could beef up the kick and the snare. An interesting piece to say the least, Tom
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Ray, I am certainly no expert on the psych/prog genre. I did listen to all 8 min and it grabbed me. I like the bass playing and all the little ear catching things going on. The lap steel is cool. The thing that I would work on is the drum sound. Maybe CLA drums or Neutron could beef up the kick and the snare. An interesting piece to say the least, Tom Thanks Tommy, I've attempted to address the drums with some compression based "punch" on both kick & snare being mindful that I didn't want to work against the languid 60 bpmness.There's something wrong with my Reaper project at present as it throws up delay tags from the dirtiest guitar at random. I'll have to dig deep as well as asking pardon for the intrusive noise in this mix.
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[ I only listened to the 04 12 update ] A shameless Pink Floyd copy, and that's totally fine, because I LOVE Pink Floyd. Some random thoughts: - The guitar that kicks in at 2:23 sits a bit too dominant in your mix. Maybe panning it from left to right would create an interesting effect without suppressing the rest of the instruments too much.
- You play really good Floydish/Waters bass licks. Big kudos for that!
- Same goes for the drums, some great Mason fills
- the snare gets a little annoying after a while, I'd have it pause for a few bars every other minute or so
- I would probably speed it up a tiny bit, maybe 2 BPM more. But I think since you already have a lot of instruments recorded, that would be too much of a change.
But the song is already great as it is now. And your voice, although it doesn't sound exactly like Roger Water's, fits this song very well. Add a chorus or two sung in a Gilmour-like voice, and you'll sell a lot of copies of this song. I would be the first to buy one 
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[ I only listened to the 04 12 update ] A shameless Pink Floyd copy, and that's totally fine, because I LOVE Pink Floyd. Some random thoughts: - The guitar that kicks in at 2:23 sits a bit too dominant in your mix. Maybe panning it from left to right would create an interesting effect without suppressing the rest of the instruments too much.
- You play really good Floydish/Waters bass licks. Big kudos for that!
- Same goes for the drums, some great Mason fills
- the snare gets a little annoying after a while, I'd have it pause for a few bars every other minute or so
- I would probably speed it up a tiny bit, maybe 2 BPM more. But I think since you already have a lot of instruments recorded, that would be too much of a change.
But the song is already great as it is now. And your voice, although it doesn't sound exactly like Roger Water's, fits this song very well. Add a chorus or two sung in a Gilmour-like voice, and you'll sell a lot of copies of this song. I would be the first to buy one Thanks B.D., To me it sounds more like, and was inspired by, Will'o'the Wisp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1P_V9aXAs BUT if you hear Floyd I'm not unhappy at all. The thing at 2.23, as addressed in the above comments, is a randomish bug in the project within Reaper - sometimes it appears & sometimes not. I'm reverse engineering to find the cause. I upped the snare on the recommendation of another commentator. I wasn't convinced but gave it a go to hear the results...I'm still unconvinced and more inclined to agree with you. I could speed up the entire project by increasing the BPM AFTER everything else is completed - otherwise any further additions would be come very difficult. Finally, there's a lead guitar track and, hopefully, a vocal from a singer coming soon...I hope.
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ray,
An expressive bass line
Excellent use of the Organ
Good drum selection. I did want to the snare to be slightly "bigger" (but that's more of a "modern" request)
Guitars sound great!! An truly interesting. Ear candy
I like your vocal. (the whispers are COOL!)
As others have noted - the most Floydish track ever posted in the Showcase (that OTHER Floyd, of course)
This is "close to finished", I think. My favorite of all the PBX songs posted...
Listened a couple of times earlier today. Never even thought of the length. Simply Enjoyed!!
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ray,
An expressive bass line
Excellent use of the Organ
Good drum selection. I did want to the snare to be slightly "bigger" (but that's more of a "modern" request)
Guitars sound great!! An truly interesting. Ear candy
I like your vocal. (the whispers are COOL!)
As others have noted - the most Floydish track ever posted in the Showcase (that OTHER Floyd, of course)
This is "close to finished", I think. My favorite of all the PBX songs posted...
Listened a couple of times earlier today. Never even thought of the length. Simply Enjoyed!!
fj
Thanks for the kind words fj, I've added a separate large room to the snare to attempt some biggness for you. I can't post an update in the O.P. because it's edit period has passed. I'll start a new thread when the lead has arrived and been settled in. THANKS AGAIN.
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We very much like the groove, Ray.
Pink Floydish as mentioned by others, but also like a mystical dirge.
Good lyric (we much like your “connect a few dots yourself” style), good band (love your bass) and it kept our attention the full length with no problem.
And the “punch add” to the snare and kick was quite successful. Not easy to do … at least for me.
Fine bass and a cool steel for sure.
Epic.
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Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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