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A minor offshoot of this thread is about PG Music and MIDI. I just wanted to mention that I really enjoy the jazz piano MIDI Supertracks. I wish PG Music would release more of these. I know it didn't get widespread support when this was last discussed, but there are a few folks like Mario who use MIDI extensively and would really appreciate resuming making these.
What's possibly frustrating about this is that if pianos were recorded using, e.g., Yamaha or Kawai hybrids, or a grand fitted with PNOscan, they'd get both the acoustic and the MIDI SuperTrack performances for the much same investment. Perhaps the issue is that the pianists want to use their own pianos.
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A minor offshoot of this thread is about PG Music and MIDI. I just wanted to mention that I really enjoy the jazz piano MIDI Supertracks. I wish PG Music would release more of these. I know it didn't get widespread support when this was last discussed, but there are a few folks like Mario who use MIDI extensively and would really appreciate resuming making these.
Got that right Matt! Those non-quantized Super MIDI Tracks are the best thing to happen to BiaB MIDI.
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"Maybe it all will end up like a type Kodak Company situation. A market leading company and brand for decades where management failed to see or believe in the changes of the industry at that time even though a majority of the competition was."
That would be a major bummer. I have a minor degree in photography, so watching Kodak melt away was very sad on a personal level.
It is a great mystery to me, why steps are not being taken to at least tune up things that are already in place, such as consolidating menus, make workflow and GUI more consistent, automate items that should be automated and fix about a dozen of outstanding bigger issues.
There were several good "pushes" in a few years I was using BIAB, such as making a 64bit version, adding extra tracks, partial regeneration, micro chords and several others. Workflow is equally or in some cases more important than some of the features, but it gets almost completely overlooked for some reason. What good are the features if no one will use them because they are not integrated well, deeply hidden or simply unintuitive?
I am religiously convinced that if a good dive is made to tune up / fix existing items, rather than add features, BIAB will become a much better place.
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There were so many discussions about 64bit because so many users wanted it but it was always "It's not needed as there is JBridge" but apple force it to happen by banning 32bit apps. RealBand was always crashing for me but when it went 64bit I rarely got a crash. All the "adding extra tracks, partial regeneration, micro chords and several others" were from years n years n years of nagging. It took 10 years of nagging to get VstTimeInfo to be sent to VST's like EZDrummer to sync to the host. How long have I been nagging about the BBPlugin, I have showed it working with Sforzando now, will it be another 10 years ? It seems they don't have any time to do things as directly the Biab Win is done it's onto Mac and that holds everything up because apple are always updating every five minutes and changing their OS so apps don't work anymore, then PG spend months on it. I can run Win95 apps on Win10 but apple ban that, compatibility is not allowed. There always has to be NEW Selling features every year, so they are way behind the eight ball. If I could code I would be in there doing it NOW rather than spending all my time working on solutions and posting things. I think I put in more than a 40 hour week 
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Yep, apple is evil in that sense and it is unfortunate that they make companies like PGMusic suffer. Even big boys like NI seem to have constant headache because of apple's "innovations". Well, I consider myself lucky that major changes occured during few of my short years using BIAB  Musocity, I believe you are heard... and it seems you understand that certain leaps are not happening because someone is deliberately sabotaging progress, but because certain things must happen (like mac release you mentioned above). While some of your ideas, like direct play are great (I do support that btw), but try to take a more centered position. Consider that PG team is much smaller compared to Cakewalk, Studio One, Reaper and many others. Cakewalk for example still doesnt have a chord track, while people bragged for years. Cakewalk has 30,000,000+ users.... Several big items were implemented from constructive discussions in this forum section. Lets try keeping it in the same constructive key.
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I would not be helping some big company out. I don't think there is any sabotaging much anymore but because of it in the past it's behind and has a lot of catching up to do. I welcome users with with new ideas like yourself, I don't try and block them from beta testing because they will change things. I suggested one way with track freezing sections then someone said about song section freezing so I made up some examples how that can work. I try to express how situations come about because if you don't learn from them you will just be repeating the past. The only thing I can do is work out ways to do things and post them, if I get frustrated and go off that's all part of it. If I didn't have sensitivity/intuition to work things out I would not get stressed with anything BUT then I would not post anything and then there would not be a whole lot of functions and features added in Biab now It's like in the US where all the 3 letter places, social media, main street media conspired to get rid of a President that was too brash, outspoken and told the truth as we see now about everything, then deliberately sabotaged and orchestrated to replace him with a "nice" puppet, and now it's all going down the drain. So Amen to those that stand up and tell the truth in the face of adversity. I pick all that up from heighten sensitivity from going through so much like this guy. Biab will get there !! I have seen visions of it in the future, I'm just worn out these days to be nice all the time sorry. Each and every one of you I would go out of my way to help.
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It's like in the US where all the 3 letter places, social media, main street media conspired to get rid of a President that was too brash, outspoken and told the truth as we see now about everything, then deliberately sabotaged and orchestrated to replace him with a "nice" puppet, and now it's all going down the drain. So Amen to those that stand up and tell the truth in the face of adversity. Maybe leave the politics out of it? Folks who are not in that cult see it differently!
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Politics is Politics, Spirituality is beyond Politics it sees through the veil and discerns good/evil, you can beat your life on it. Anyone that's spiritual sees the same thing. Once your consciousness has shifted and experienced a spiritual dimension through actually dying then being resuscitated, out of your body from sickness, trauma or suffering you can't possibly go back. You see death as life and life as death. Cults follow outside influences, spiritual follow from within themselves. This guy certainly didn't go looking for it ! but to get the knowledge a heavy price is usually paid, God I know that. I say things now that may seem over the top to some but there will be a time when it will be all seen clearly in light and brought back to mind.
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Musocity,
I'm glad you're an active participant in the forum and believe your presence greatly contributes to the forum. I appreciate all your efforts to help other forum members. I also appreciate your efforts to identify ways to make both Band-in-a-Box and RealBand better.
Many times though I have difficulty understanding your presentations. I am unable to distinguish if you are presenting an idea for change or improvement, a problem solution or general information.
I believe one reason is because sometimes you include multiple subjects in a post. I have a lot of trouble understanding multiple subjects in a post. I agree that is my deficiency but I offer it as a limitation you may want to consider as you compose your posts.
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Thanks Jim I appreciate that. I will try and explain with step by step guides. I posted one here to try https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=748177It is very simple just put the sfz into you RealTrack folder then drag the sfz into Sforzando but I haven't got any response. If users could it would help with the BBPlugin then benefit all users. I try to get others involve to test and try things to make Biab better, if they would only try things or ask I will try and be helpful as possible to explain otherwise things will go nowhere if others don't get involved in the development of new ideas. If users can learn Biab that it's self is a tremendous feat, they should be able to learn other things to help with the development rather than it be left all to me. Maybe if Mac was still here he would be into it. It would be just good if users could try things and report back or ASK. I have no problem going out of my way to help others, that doesn't come from Politics and being in it to make money, that comes from spirituality you loose all materialism with that. If someone goes into Politics and make millions then someone goes into Politics and looses millions who is doing the right thing ?
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I have to say that I get overwhelmed by it sometimes. I guess in no small measure that's an effect of my depression ... I sometimes get distressed at the stupidest things. Sometimes I just have to walk away for a while. I was always the tough and resilient one who helped everyone else get through things. CoolLED deliberately broke me.
I'll try to explore this and also get back to trying to get the Track Injector work on Linux+Wine.
Sometimes it's just too hard :-(
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