Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
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intelligence within it to do all the functions it needs


But, as I mentioned earlier, forum users were unable to agree on what functions the plugin needs. I suspect many current Band-in-a-Box users have not given much thought to what functions they would expect the plugin to perform.
Band-in-a-Box users would get the identical song sections, layout and multistyles in the BBPlugin. Who put all the time and effort into this coming into fruition ? I heard JJJ mention a VST version of Biab, so I put a lot of time effort and posting ways to do it, but there was zero responses or ideas from anyone else at all. It always seems to be left to me to find ways, even hacking into Biab to get into to do things that makes life easier. OMG I should not have to do that.

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I can generate up RealDrums directly in Reaper so that can be done in the Plugin easy enough


That is an apples to oranges comparison between your Reaper script and plugin code. There is no way a non-coder like myself can judge how easy it is to modify the plugin code so the plugin can generate up RealDrums. I don't understand how that statement is relevant to the conversation.
PowerTracks Generates up RealDrums it's self without using bbw2 bbw4 in the back ground !

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The whole idea of the Plugin was to be able to add extra instrument tracks to a recorded DAW session.
Agree but let's change the statement just a little bit; how's this:
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The whole idea of the Plugin should be to be able to add extra instrument tracks to a recorded DAW session.


Why did I change your statement from "was" to "should be"? Because presently a user can not save a Band-in-a-Box (BiaB) SGU or MGU file and know for sure the file will work properly in the plugin. Back to the first part of this discussion, certain main BiaB program functions that are saved in a SGU or MGU file do not work in the plugin.
As I said before Band-in-a-Box users would get the identical song sections, layout and multistyles in the BBPlugin, the end result of it all is linear tracks. The Biab Track Injector put the identical tracks/sections in Biab in a DAW, that's what this will do. So you don't need Pitch Invaders and all the other stuff in the BBPlugin.


My highest priority is for the plugin to utilize ALL the main program functions that can be stored in a SGU or MGU file.
YES that's what this will do !

For example the main BiaB program SGU or MGU file can store MultiStyles, can the plugin reconstruct them? The main BiaB program SGU or MGU file can store F5 Bar Settings, can the plugin implement those settings?
YES that's what this will do ! I even posted MultiStyle multi time signature biab songs direct in Reaper Track Injector.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4x0l5ebofxcg4ju/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-09.mp4?dl=0

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It was to attract NEW DAW only users not old Biab users that just want to get the Biab track into a DAW, they can just drag n drop.
I agree but what producer is going to work on a SGU or MGU file in the main BiaB program only to find the work does not correctly transfer?
They won't be going near the main program ! They are DAW users they use Superior Drummer 3 with 24bit audio on a 250GB HD

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Let Biab be for the old and current users but let the BBPlugin be for Professional/DAW/Studio users not old Biab users
No! It's not an either or situation and it never should be. The main BiaB program is where an audio producer should start the song creation and then use the plugin to review alternate instrumentation and riffs.
No! they won't be going near the main program ! They are DAW users, they don't want to learn the main program, that would be a nightmare expecting them to learn the old Biab in a studio where time is money, they want EZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Old Biab users who use Biab, if they want some tracks in the DAW they freeze the SGU and the BBPlugin will open it and playback identical. You just can't force them to learn Biab they would end up jumping off a cliff mad

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All this that I have been posting with Sforzando can be put into a separate BBPlugin Standalone that can be used for a Live Arranger.
While that is a nice idea there is no sign PG Music is interested in competing with arranger keyboards. Sometimes when you are a small, family owned business you choose not to compete with giants of the industry.
Is that what they said ??? what was the whole idea of Biab midi styles and conductor ?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4sdl87ge4y9y5kc/Sforzando-Arranger.mp4?dl=0

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You are totally limiting the BBPlugin potential by making it for old users that just want the Biab tracks in their DAW that they now have in Biab main app, making a mirror image of the main app in a plugin is pointless.
Why is wanting the plugin to accurately recreate the tracks in a main BiaB program SGU or MGU file pointless? How does that limit the plugin potential? Don't you believe the plugin should accurately playback a SGU or MGU file?
I have to keep repeating this, that is what it does "accurately recreate"
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4x0l5ebofxcg4ju/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-09.mp4?dl=0

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The BBPlugin working how I showed could open a frozen SGU directly in the BBPlugin with identical layout and sections and read the frozen section data in an SGU/MGU and instantly play that, or it can get bbw4 to open the frozen SGU/MGU track data and render that direct to the SavedTracks folder as text and midi data (NO WAVs).
But the frozen tracks were created in the main BiaB program. You just proved my point that an audio producer likely will use both the main BiaB program and the plugin. Earlier you said leave the main BiaB program for the old folks and let the DAW users have the plugin. I just can't envision up and coming audio producers getting SGU or MGU files from us old folks. smile Just a little joke here. smile
I said this for the benefit of old Biab users so the can easily open the Biab song in the BBPlugin identical. Charlie wants these guys in Professional Studios to use the old complex Delphi Biab GUI as I said they use Superior Drummer 3 and ya think the Biab GUI is going to turn them on ? You must think of there health and wellbeing.

Great conversation. It's nice to exchange thoughts and look at different points of view.

For now in this transition period the BBPlugin can still use bbw4 BUT it will get away from that and have all the generate functions in it ! This way it will have more that 255 bars, any tempo map, real time signatures to work with real studio professionals. "Biab in a Studio OMG !" lol where have you and Charlie been ?