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To use the Synthesizer V Studio Plugin.vst3 in Biab ... Musosity, thanks for this. Have you used Synth V as a BIAB plugin yourself? If so, how to you feel about it? I wonder if it is any better than having both programs loaded in standalone. I found that I can drag a track or whole mix directly from BIAB into Synth V (without saving to a file and reloading, etc) so the integration is quite good already, but perhaps there is something better as a plugin? One advantage, I guess, is that perhaps if you save the BIAB file it will have the Synth V session and information in one BIAB load, but I suspect that it will not save the actual Synth V information, but just load the plugin and you still have to load it? It's easy to drag the BAIB mix into Synth V, which will save it with the voice tracks, and anytime you want to change a chord you can re-drag and replace it in Synth V, so I'm just wondering what your experience might be with it as a BIAB plugin.
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I don’t work with vocals but if I had to, this would be very helpful to me as a composer. I could work with Kevin. Do they have other choices of female vocalist?
EDIT: yes, Eleanor Forte, good only for Anime sounds
As of this writing, Dreamtonics says the following "native" English female vocalists exist: - ANRI
- Eleanor Forte
- Natalie
- SOLARIA
- Tsurumaki Maki English (giant caveat here)
- Weina (caveat here)
However, their definition of "native" is that the program was trained with the singers singing in English, not that the singer is a native English speaker. It also doesn't help when some of the English songs are put together by non-native English speakers. IMNSHO, Tsurumaki Maki's English is unusable. She's not a fluent English speaker, and I think it's a mistake by Dreamtonics to list her as an "English" vocal. In contrast, Weina is not a native English speaker and has a bit of an accent, but I find her voice quite usable... most of the time. Giant caveat: there are some times when she requires creative workarounds on some vowels. Solaria is the gold standard of native English vocals. Clear, versatile and fun to work with. The personality (and skill) of the voice provider comes through. Eleanor Forte was the first voice released, and that version over-articulated lyrics. A reworked AI version was released, and that voicebank is much better than the original. There's a "Lite" version of the voice as well, which is free and lower quality. ANRI has a "young teenage girl" voice - good for that sort of pop sound, I guess. I'm not a fan of that vocal sound, but apparently a lot of people are. Her English is fine. Natalie is a more recent voicebank, and has a darker, slightly husky voice. It's not as versatile as Solaria, but I like her voice a lot. She has a habit of dropping some consonants from the end of her words. Depending on what you want, the female trans-lingual voices can be quite good. For example, Qing Su is a Chinese voice I did a song with, and forgot she wasn't a native English voice. As always, these are just my own highly subjective opinions. Your own ears are the best judge as to whether the voice would work for you.
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If you have a finished song you might be best just to drag n drop into Synth V. I tried the vst3 but it was a bit sluggish in Biab. I haven't got into it enough to give it a good try out, I tried it with a vocal line out of some kar files and was impressed how it sounded without tweaking anything else. vocal-test.svp https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=742590I remember back in the 80's my brother had a Hitachi Peach computer and he go a voice synthesizer card for it. Dave should be able to use it with the Lua scripting.
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Another company for Singers A.I. from the USA is Eclipsed Sounds - link - https://www.eclipsedsounds.com/
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Astorian is a great new A.I. singer with bass voice color and position and local expert on A.I. singing does not have it in its list (useful for me and David Cuny is truly an expert I respect) yet. For me, who likes singing in his positions, it's unreal - link - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=A.I.+Asterian - it was also used for spoken word, but I can't judge that because I can't speak English. That's why I judge his singing. Here is the link to the song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L21ngECYLSw
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Astorian is a great new A.I. singer with bass voice color and position and local expert on A.I. singing does not have it in its list... Sorry, I was just responding to Matt's comment about female singers. If you go to the SynthesizerV main page and scroll down you'll get a list of all the current singers for SynthesizerV. There are currently only two native English male voices (Kevin and Asterian), but Dreamtonics has said they will soon release a native English male voice oriented towards rock, and Audiologie has hinted they will be releasing a native English voice that will pair with ANRI this quarter, so that might also be a male voice. In a pinch, you can use a native English female vocalist and adjust the Gender parameter. Using a non-native male voice in trans-lingual mode would be my last choice. While a number of the female voices actually sound quite nice in trans-lingual mode, the males all seem to retain a heavy accent. Maybe it'll get better in the future.
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David, thanks very much for your info
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EDIT: yes, Eleanor Forte, good only for Anime sounds That's the impression I got from most of the official demos, but it's wrong. This and this are examples how Eleanor sounds when you chose a vocal range that suits her better. No matter whether you like that sound or not, it's definitely NOT anime 
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NEW DEMO I JUST MADE! Using all four English voices (Solaria, Natalie, Kevin & Asterian) singing in a jazz choir style. https://iradeo.com/station/169493Let me know what you think. I've learned a lot in the past few days, and realize there is a lot under the hood of this program. (By the way, this is not my arrangement. I just played in the notes of a well-known published arrangement by Gene Puerling, to see how Synth V could handle this sort of thing.)
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I listened to some Asterian demos too.... This would be a good voice to use for a Barry White type voice, verrrry deep. Nice work Thomas, the harmonies turned out awesome! I've been working with the software now too and use Kevin. I'm hoping to replace my own voice with him on an old track I did (It certainly can't be worse than my performance was).
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B. D. Thomas, also thank you for your comment. I shouldn't have dismissed it so quickly without trying it; I only listened to their one demo that I could find.
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This A Capella delivery is quite amazing. A blind test might have real trouble differentiating.
Well done!
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Here is a song that I wrote for my wife, featuring Synthesizer V “Kevin” as the vocalist- I would describe it as “uptempo pop”…. I used guitars from one of the BIAB styles, and the bass and drums and some of the piano were edited from BIAB MIDI styles… I’ll Always Call You Girl
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This is a great song Kelvin, but perhaps consider bringing the vocals a little more out in front. Not a criticism, but my personal feeling is that they sit a little bit too far back in the mix, and they needn't. They could 'pop' a little more. Regardless, the song tells an amazing story. Thanks for sharing.
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This is a great song Kelvin, but perhaps consider bringing the vocals a little more out in front. Not a criticism, but my personal feeling is that they sit a little bit too far back in the mix, and they needn't. They could 'pop' a little more. Regardless, the song tells an amazing story. Thanks for sharing. Thank you very much for that feedback - I’ve got to improve my mixing skills, for sure, so I will try to implement what you have said - thanks again !
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Kelvin:
I have bought Asterian, Solaria, Kevin and I get inspiration from your beautiful song to apply Kevin.
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Kelvin:
I have bought Asterian, Solaria, Kevin and I get inspiration from your beautiful song to apply Kevin. Thank you very much.
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My goal for working with Synthesizer V Pro is to make a song so I can make a good demo recording and then sing the song with someone or have someone else sing it. I have already created such a demo recording, but in the form of a semi-finished product. The lyrics are in Czech, which I can't use here, which I don't mind, and if so, I'll let them sing, for example, La,la,la,la ... I can't write English lyrics and I wouldn't dare to, because I know what it takes to writing the text in Czech. All instruments are from RealBand and most of them are in midi tracks. I will transfer the created tracks to Studio One and let the virtual background vocals and virtual instruments sound mostly through the Kontakt module. I'm doing the mix and mastering at a friend's studio, which is yet to come. I'm still fine-tuning my singing with an excellent singing teacher, because I need it as an amateur. I have already registered the song with our copyright company OSA. I have the vocals where the text is sung in the sheet music, so I tried out Asterian as my voice (I sing deep in the first part, an octave higher in the second part and I return to a deep position in the third part), the second voice sings most of the verses Kevin and Asterian joins as third voice and Solaria as fourth voice in the choruses. While I agreed with Kevin's second voice, the chorus somehow doesn't fit me and I want to make it more interesting. I'm even looking for advice and feedback. However, I put the finished stuff on SoundCloud, but I don't want to put this there, because it's only in an unfinished state and I don't know if I would be doing the wrong thing if I put it here as a video (not a link) directly in the post. I've seen short videos in some posts in other forums, but they were related to a technical issue.
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